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Have you checked out CDK or Pulumi? CDK still has a few warts but overall I've been pretty happy with it. Haven't used Pulumi but from chatting with friends it

by kevan 4y ago

Have you checked out CDK or Pulumi? CDK still has a few warts but overall I've been pretty happy with it. Haven't used Pulumi but from chatting with friends it sounds like it has a similar feel as CDK but supports multi-cloud like Terraform.

tokamak 4y ago
Pulumi is TF alternative but it is not managed like CF. CDK uses CF underneath with all its issues.
pojzon 4y ago
Cdk is compiling into CF template. And Pulumi is using Terraform providers under the hood. Writing infra in imperative style can cause ALOT of unseen issues when developers start adding IFology or Design Patterns..
- pid-1 4y ago
  Most CDK code is absolutely declarative. Unlike TF, you have an actual programming language as a escape hatch.
- reilly3000 4y ago
  Pulumi also has a newer iteration that uses provider APIs directly. A pain point has been that terraform provides tend to lag significantly with platform APIs, or just miss some functionality entirely.
  - pojzon 4y ago
    The providers are maintained by dedicated teams of Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Hashicorp themselves, other big corps. Pulumi abstractions are updated by a single corpo team. Ill be EXTREMELY surprised if they wont laaaggg alot more behind when they start supporting more and more platforms. Its simply a matter of amount of ppl working on the tool.
    - reilly3000 4y ago
      Agreed in principle. In this instance they have basically rigged up a machine to poll and parse the GCP API Discovery service into a native provider. https://developers.google.com/discovery/v1/using https://developers.google.com/discovery/v1/using It’s promise is sustainably same-day parity with platform APIs. It is generated code, so it may not be semantically pleasing, but it should just work. I haven’t spent much time with it to form a nuanced opinion but I do think it’s a novel and reasonable approach. https://www.pulumi.com/blog/pulumiup-google-native-provider/ https://www.pulumi.com/blog/pulumiup-google-native-provider/
- ealexhudson 4y ago
  Pulumi can use TF providers but in general has custom providers, as I understand it - generally you would not be using the TF provider for most deployments.

by kevan 4y ago

tokamak 4y ago

Pulumi is TF alternative but it is not managed like CF. CDK uses CF underneath with all its issues.

pojzon 4y ago

Cdk is compiling into CF template. And Pulumi is using Terraform providers under the hood. Writing infra in imperative style can cause ALOT of unseen issues when developers start adding IFology or Design Patterns..

pid-1 4y ago
Most CDK code is absolutely declarative. Unlike TF, you have an actual programming language as a escape hatch.
reilly3000 4y ago
Pulumi also has a newer iteration that uses provider APIs directly. A pain point has been that terraform provides tend to lag significantly with platform APIs, or just miss some functionality entirely.
- pojzon 4y ago
  The providers are maintained by dedicated teams of Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Hashicorp themselves, other big corps. Pulumi abstractions are updated by a single corpo team. Ill be EXTREMELY surprised if they wont laaaggg alot more behind when they start supporting more and more platforms. Its simply a matter of amount of ppl working on the tool.
  - reilly3000 4y ago
    Agreed in principle. In this instance they have basically rigged up a machine to poll and parse the GCP API Discovery service into a native provider. https://developers.google.com/discovery/v1/using https://developers.google.com/discovery/v1/using It’s promise is sustainably same-day parity with platform APIs. It is generated code, so it may not be semantically pleasing, but it should just work. I haven’t spent much time with it to form a nuanced opinion but I do think it’s a novel and reasonable approach. https://www.pulumi.com/blog/pulumiup-google-native-provider/ https://www.pulumi.com/blog/pulumiup-google-native-provider/
ealexhudson 4y ago
Pulumi can use TF providers but in general has custom providers, as I understand it - generally you would not be using the TF provider for most deployments.