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At the end of this giant thread, you're still claiming that Russia is doing a genocide in Ukraine? UN says 4000 Ukrainian civilians have died so far in this vio

At the end of this giant thread, you're still claiming that Russia is doing a genocide in Ukraine? UN says 4000 Ukrainian civilians have died so far in this violent clash between heavily armed militaries. In the last eight years 14000 people died in Donbas alone because Ukraine government couldn't enforce the Minsk agreements on its own Nazi battalions. (These are real Nazis, whose grandparents are still honored in Ukraine for helping Germans liquidate Jews, Roma, and Poles. This ain't the Jan 6 buffalo-hat fake Nazis.) Of course both of those figures are dwarfed by the deaths in e.g. Yemen. How is it that you've picked out this smallest death toll as a genocide?

throwaway29812 4y ago
You would have to be purposefully blind of the truth at this point, which you are. That's something between you and your own sense of morality, stop wasting our time with this rubbish. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-ukraine-investigates-deportation-children-russia-possible-genocide-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-ukraine-inves... https://twitter.com/nikicaga/status/1532802261696618496 https://twitter.com/nikicaga/status/1532802261696618496
- jessaustin 4y ago
  Maybe most of USA war media pretends to believe everything that the infamously corrupt Ukraine government says, but I don't have to. I can remember at least five TV wars, and in every case we heard lots of manipulative lies from the TV over the first several months. There's no reason to believe this is an exception. Not that I admire Russia or anything. It is a crime to invade another nation except in response to violent military action. However, that isn't genocide. Even if it were, we'd decide that after international experts had thoroughly investigated. That hasn't happened yet. You seem kind of emotional. Perhaps deeply-felt emotion might cause someone to believe everything the TV says? ps. wrong sockpuppet
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    "Yeah but what about Iraq" is not a response to any of the evidence supplied on Russian crimes in Ukraine, it's a way for you to feel better about supporting the enemies of your enemy. And you aren't fooling anyone.
    - jessaustin 4y ago
      I have not ITT mentioned Iraq. Supporting the enemies of one's enemy is fairly common, although again that's not something I've done here. My enemy, and that of all ethical Americans, is the USA military-industrial complex. No one in Russia or China or wherever is their enemy. People overseas are just resources for them, grist for their blood-mill. Soon enough we may find that we too have been reclassified into resources.
      - throwaway29812 4y ago
        > I have not ITT mentioned Iraq. Yes you did. You just don't have the courage to say "because Iraq was wrong, Ukraine doesn't matter." Because that is what you are implying, but it's so nonsensical you must hide behind platitudes. > Supporting the enemies of one's enemy is fairly common.. As the kids say, "lol". > although again that's not something I've done here My word you don't have to courage to stand behind any of your beliefs, do you? > My enemy, and that of all ethical Americans, is the USA military-industrial complex. No one in Russia or China or wherever is their enemy. Was the Russian invasion of Ukraine wrong, yes or no. Is the massive amount of evidence for a targeted killings of civilians proof of genocide, yes or no. And if your answer is "no one can know because they got Iraq WMDs wrong", don't bother.

throwaway29812 4y ago

You would have to be purposefully blind of the truth at this point, which you are. That's something between you and your own sense of morality, stop wasting our time with this rubbish. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-ukraine-investigates-deportation-children-russia-possible-genocide-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-ukraine-inves... https://twitter.com/nikicaga/status/1532802261696618496 https://twitter.com/nikicaga/status/1532802261696618496

jessaustin 4y ago
Maybe most of USA war media pretends to believe everything that the infamously corrupt Ukraine government says, but I don't have to. I can remember at least five TV wars, and in every case we heard lots of manipulative lies from the TV over the first several months. There's no reason to believe this is an exception. Not that I admire Russia or anything. It is a crime to invade another nation except in response to violent military action. However, that isn't genocide. Even if it were, we'd decide that after international experts had thoroughly investigated. That hasn't happened yet. You seem kind of emotional. Perhaps deeply-felt emotion might cause someone to believe everything the TV says? ps. wrong sockpuppet
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  "Yeah but what about Iraq" is not a response to any of the evidence supplied on Russian crimes in Ukraine, it's a way for you to feel better about supporting the enemies of your enemy. And you aren't fooling anyone.
  - jessaustin 4y ago
    I have not ITT mentioned Iraq. Supporting the enemies of one's enemy is fairly common, although again that's not something I've done here. My enemy, and that of all ethical Americans, is the USA military-industrial complex. No one in Russia or China or wherever is their enemy. People overseas are just resources for them, grist for their blood-mill. Soon enough we may find that we too have been reclassified into resources.
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      > I have not ITT mentioned Iraq. Yes you did. You just don't have the courage to say "because Iraq was wrong, Ukraine doesn't matter." Because that is what you are implying, but it's so nonsensical you must hide behind platitudes. > Supporting the enemies of one's enemy is fairly common.. As the kids say, "lol". > although again that's not something I've done here My word you don't have to courage to stand behind any of your beliefs, do you? > My enemy, and that of all ethical Americans, is the USA military-industrial complex. No one in Russia or China or wherever is their enemy. Was the Russian invasion of Ukraine wrong, yes or no. Is the massive amount of evidence for a targeted killings of civilians proof of genocide, yes or no. And if your answer is "no one can know because they got Iraq WMDs wrong", don't bother.