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Unless it’s a “junior” developer with 5 years of experience willing to “wear multiple hats” and “go the extra mile to deliver requirements.”

Clubber 4y ago
I mean if that's what you gotta to do get your foot in the door, that's what you gotta do. My first job out of college in the late 90s took 3 months to find. I already had an internship where I did development for money and networking and workstation support. For the first job, I built the applications, designed the database, setup all the servers and all the workstations. I even crimped network cables and managed a fire/move within a week. I did everything for little pay (relative to the market, it was a living wage and I was salary + benefits) and I absolutely busted my ass to do it well. I worked there for two years and then one day, the director of customer service said she knew someone who was looking for someone and if I was interested. I said yes and that was the first Fortune 500 on my resume. It won't be given to you (unless you're extremely lucky) but if you bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, people will notice and eventually, good things will happen. Always bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, it will take you far.
- Comevius 4y ago
  "if you bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, people will notice and eventually, good things will happen" In most industries, most of the time hard work no longer pays off. It is not rewarded, it is exploited. The people who would notice are increasingly sociopathic and short-highted, because that's how you make it these days. Hard work can still open doors, but you have to be smart about who you work for.
  - baq 4y ago
    the point is to impress while delivering, not delivering to impress. perhaps a subtle difference, but of huge importance to priorities of the individual.
  - Clubber 4y ago
    >Hard work can still open doors, but you have to be smart about who you work for. Agree. Notice in my little story, the good thing didn't happen until I got a job offer at another company, leaving the shit-hole I was working for. Also had I not busted my ass at the shit-hole, I never would have been noticed/recommended as a good performer for a better company. Point is, people notice when you work hard and notice when you don't. Just because you work in a dump, slacking off might actually hurt you, or at least exclude you from further opportunities, internal or external. My baseline is if you aren't seeing improvement in your prospects after a couple of years at a company, consider leaving.
  - smarmgoblin 4y ago
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- kqr 4y ago
  This is part of the reason I tell people not to take their first job too seriously. It's highly likely to be crap, and teach them what they don't want rather than what they want. But that's also why it's useful. Stick around for a bit but don't feel bad for leaving soon. It sucks that inexperienced people get exploited, but to do the best of it you have to learn as much as you can and then get out rather quickly. (Of course, who am I to talk? I'm happily married to my first girlfriend. Sometimes you get lucky.)

Clubber 4y ago

I mean if that's what you gotta to do get your foot in the door, that's what you gotta do. My first job out of college in the late 90s took 3 months to find. I already had an internship where I did development for money and networking and workstation support. For the first job, I built the applications, designed the database, setup all the servers and all the workstations. I even crimped network cables and managed a fire/move within a week. I did everything for little pay (relative to the market, it was a living wage and I was salary + benefits) and I absolutely busted my ass to do it well. I worked there for two years and then one day, the director of customer service said she knew someone who was looking for someone and if I was interested. I said yes and that was the first Fortune 500 on my resume. It won't be given to you (unless you're extremely lucky) but if you bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, people will notice and eventually, good things will happen. Always bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, it will take you far.

Comevius 4y ago
"if you bust your ass like you're trying to impress the hell out of someone, people will notice and eventually, good things will happen" In most industries, most of the time hard work no longer pays off. It is not rewarded, it is exploited. The people who would notice are increasingly sociopathic and short-highted, because that's how you make it these days. Hard work can still open doors, but you have to be smart about who you work for.
- baq 4y ago
  the point is to impress while delivering, not delivering to impress. perhaps a subtle difference, but of huge importance to priorities of the individual.
- Clubber 4y ago
  >Hard work can still open doors, but you have to be smart about who you work for. Agree. Notice in my little story, the good thing didn't happen until I got a job offer at another company, leaving the shit-hole I was working for. Also had I not busted my ass at the shit-hole, I never would have been noticed/recommended as a good performer for a better company. Point is, people notice when you work hard and notice when you don't. Just because you work in a dump, slacking off might actually hurt you, or at least exclude you from further opportunities, internal or external. My baseline is if you aren't seeing improvement in your prospects after a couple of years at a company, consider leaving.
- smarmgoblin 4y ago
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kqr 4y ago
This is part of the reason I tell people not to take their first job too seriously. It's highly likely to be crap, and teach them what they don't want rather than what they want. But that's also why it's useful. Stick around for a bit but don't feel bad for leaving soon. It sucks that inexperienced people get exploited, but to do the best of it you have to learn as much as you can and then get out rather quickly. (Of course, who am I to talk? I'm happily married to my first girlfriend. Sometimes you get lucky.)