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> Awaiting a patent lawyer who does this every day I am a registered patent attorney (*), but I don't practice in patent prosecution. > a fly swatting device
by bdowling 4y ago
> Awaiting a patent lawyer who does this every day
I am a registered patent attorney (*), but I don't practice in patent prosecution.
> a fly swatting device ... And you would say in your spec ...
You're alluding to means-plus-function claiming. "An element in a claim for a combination may be expressed as a means or step for performing a specified function ... and such claim shall be construed to cover the corresponding structure, material, or acts described in the specification and equivalents thereof." (35 USC 112(f) or pre-AIA 35 USC 112 sixth paragraph).
> You should not have claim elements that are known in the art, and furthermore, you'd have failed to claim the book, newspaper, magazine, etc. methods of killing the fly.
As a strategic matter, I agree because you usually want to claim the broadest, most essential form of an invention, and that's a good reason to use means-plus-function claiming. The presence of prior art elements in a claim, however, do not invalidate the claim because (1) for a prior art reference to anticipate a claim, all elements must be present in the prior art reference (all elements rule), and (2) for non-anticipating prior art references to render a claim obvious, the claim must be considered as a whole, not element-by-element. (35 USC 103, "...such that the claimed invention as a whole would have been obvious...").
(*) Not your attorney, not legal advice, etc.
- AlbertCory 4y agoOK, you're an attorney, I also passed the Patent Bar (and am a Patent Agent). But it was before AIA. I don't think the 2004 Patent Bar had anything about re-examining claims, but it sure as hell did cover PCT, reissues, death of the inventor, and other crucial points of law :) Now that we've managed to alienate all the civilians, would you say "means for killing flies" or "fly-killing device" where you say in the spec what that includes? Or have dependent claims that name the most common fly-killing devices.
- bdowling 4y ago> would you say "means for killing flies" or "fly-killing device" I don't know. Again, I passed the patent bar, but I don't practice in prosecution. So, by my estimate, you have infinitely more experience than me. The answer probably depends on whatever the Federal Circuit most recently said about 112(f).