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I'm not sure if anyone is truly behind it. Systemd is open source. The problem with FOSS is people make stuff they want, then they share it. Others only comp
by eternityforest 4y ago
I'm not sure if anyone is truly behind it. Systemd is open source.
The problem with FOSS is people make stuff they want, then they share it. Others only complain if it affects them.
And if you have no interest in alternate init systems, then compatibility with anything else sometimes just means stretching your team thinner.
From my perspective, and I'm sure some others, the hijacking is a benefit, it standardizes all the systems. If you're a corporate IT person, or a home user who wants to not have to think about their OS, this is great. It means you won't run into incompatible stuff, there's one standard "Linux platform".
Systemd isn't a DRM, it doesn't cost subscription fees, so I don't see why you would push the technology other than really believing that it is best for your dev team and your users.
From the point of view of the companies doing this stuff, Gentoo and Void and Devuan don't exist. They are like forks of the entire Linux platform.
There may be a bit of corporate competition happening, I'm sure Canonical doesn't want too much variety, but it's hard to separate it from the real benefits it has for non-hobbyist users to have less fragmentation.
There may be some dirty political stuff happening to push it with dependencies, but most of the community seems to be behind it.
Perhaps this should be seen as a tyranny of the masses kind of situation, and the better question is what obligations do the rest of us have for the other systems we will likely never use.
It does seem like there is some minimal level of effort that should be made, in the name of inclusiveness, and compatibility with some possible future QuantumHyperSystemD thing, at least to ask yourself and sure that it's all good faith and you aren't actively sabotaging anything.
But beyond that, unless you're being paid, not many are going to support a system that isn't relevant to them.
- d0mine 4y agoIsn't systemd a Red Hat thing (IBM now)? How much influence does it have?
- baisq 4y agoComplete influence: they have shoved systemd down our throats by making GNOME depend on it.
- akagusu 4y agoRed Hat has influence not only over systemd, but over freedesktop.org, GTK, Gnome, Flatpak and many others. They have strong influence over the entire Linux stack, and this is why IBM bought them. Basically, even if you avoid systemd, you will still be over Red Hat influence, no matter what.
- eternityforest 4y agoSystemd is close to universal now, in any system except possibly some lightweight container image type distros, very tiny embedded, and systems for people who specifically hate it. I would be surprised to see anything else in any office, data center, or casual user's home. It seems like red hat is the early adopter for new mainstream Linux tech, they seem pretty influential.