> In the lane directly in front of them, facing them, and honking? Yes! In SF and other big free-country cities at 4am, some human drivers are high! Sometimes

> In the lane directly in front of them, facing them, and honking? Yes! In SF and other big free-country cities at 4am, some human drivers are high! Sometimes human drivers are passed-out or suffering a health crisis. Sometimes they've left their vehicles blocking key rights-of-way as they go somewher else for many minutes. In San Francisco, I've seen human-driver-unattended cars block light-rail trains many times. (I live not far from the N-Judah line, which also has a history of pedestrian bystanders physically moving cars to clear the road: https://www.munidiaries.com/2014/02/10/muni-riders-lift-car-off-of-n-judah-tracks-again/ https://www.munidiaries.com/2014/02/10/muni-riders-lift-car-...) We need to judge autonomous car suboptimalities against real human drivers, with all their failures - not against idealized, unerring humans-at-their-best.