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So what will come after Scrum? Is anyone here working in a "post-Scrum" world? What does it look like?

c3534l 4y ago
Agile, but reinvented, until it becomes full of gurus, coaches, and certifications, at which point we will declare it dead and continue to reinvent the saming manfucturing system we've had since Deming in the early 1950s.
lucisferre 4y ago
I've been working in a "post-Scrum" world I suppose in that I have not used it prescriptively for software development in a very long time. It isn't terribly exciting stuff. Simply remove the unnecessary ceremonies and "rituals" and instead focus on practical and effective solutions to the problems you actually have. Continuously try out new ways of building the software better, measure your results, continue to improve. The heart of the agile manifesto I suppose.
- adrianmsmith 4y ago
  > measure your results ... The heart of the agile manifesto I suppose That's an interesting one. I don't know if Scrum teams I've been part of are doing this wrong, but I have seen a shocking lack of measurement going on. Much less than with even waterfall. Whereas with a waterfall approach from decades past one might have a deadline and know if one has hit it or not, or a budget and know if one has overrun or not, the product managers at most Scrum teams I've worked with recently wouldn't be able to tell you what % of time is spent in Scrum ritual meetings, whether the project is overrun or not (as we only plan one sprint ahead, and the project is going to take more than one sprint), what % of time was actually spent on what project in the last sprint (or over the last quarter), what % of time was split between requirements, dev, ops, or any other task, etc. Has your experience with agile been different? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by measurement?
  - michaelsalim 4y ago
    Sounds about right with my own experience. I believe that each team is most productive in their own ways. In the pursuit of that, it becomes harder to measure productivity. While approaches like agile or waterfall won't fit for many people, it does make it easy to track everything since you know what's going to happen.

Agile, but reinvented, until it becomes full of gurus, coaches, and certifications, at which point we will declare it dead and continue to reinvent the saming manfucturing system we've had since Deming in the early 1950s.

lucisferre 4y ago

I've been working in a "post-Scrum" world I suppose in that I have not used it prescriptively for software development in a very long time. It isn't terribly exciting stuff. Simply remove the unnecessary ceremonies and "rituals" and instead focus on practical and effective solutions to the problems you actually have. Continuously try out new ways of building the software better, measure your results, continue to improve. The heart of the agile manifesto I suppose.

adrianmsmith 4y ago
> measure your results ... The heart of the agile manifesto I suppose That's an interesting one. I don't know if Scrum teams I've been part of are doing this wrong, but I have seen a shocking lack of measurement going on. Much less than with even waterfall. Whereas with a waterfall approach from decades past one might have a deadline and know if one has hit it or not, or a budget and know if one has overrun or not, the product managers at most Scrum teams I've worked with recently wouldn't be able to tell you what % of time is spent in Scrum ritual meetings, whether the project is overrun or not (as we only plan one sprint ahead, and the project is going to take more than one sprint), what % of time was actually spent on what project in the last sprint (or over the last quarter), what % of time was split between requirements, dev, ops, or any other task, etc. Has your experience with agile been different? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by measurement?
- michaelsalim 4y ago
  Sounds about right with my own experience. I believe that each team is most productive in their own ways. In the pursuit of that, it becomes harder to measure productivity. While approaches like agile or waterfall won't fit for many people, it does make it easy to track everything since you know what's going to happen.