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Right, threats against Ukraine and Taiwan were made up by checks notes Raytheon. Is the current, ongoing war in Ukraine "fake news" too ?

munk-a 4y ago
Two things can simultaneously be true - the military industrial complex can exploit global politics to make money above and beyond what's necessary to actually provide aide to countries. I think the last big weapons deal the US signed before agreeing to help Ukraine was subsidizing Saudi Arabia killing Yemenese in a bid to extract value from their civil war.
- lalaland1125 4y ago
  > was subsidizing Saudi Arabia Seems really odd to call a deal where Saudi Arabia was paying us for weapons in Yemen a "subsidy". You can argue that we shouldn't have allowed the sale, but it was a net profit for America.
  - munk-a 4y ago
    That seems like a fair point, yea - we weren't really subsidizing and more just enabling.
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      Or just part of an international trade in weapons that > 10 other countries participate in. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22/middleeast/arms-exports-saudi-arabia-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22/middleeast/arms-exports-saudi... But that doesn't fit the narrative, now does it?
throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
no, but they (and their peers) are the ones making bank off it Ukraine does not get a check for N billion dollars, it gets N billion dollars worth of outdated equipment at MSRP
jessaustin 4y ago
The idea that USA has any interests whatsoever in Ukraine was definitely "made up" by someone. [0] If anything, Taiwan's outsized international commercial importance makes it less likely to be the next site of disastrous war. Or so I hope... "Fake news" has become a flag phrase, like "whataboutism". The first comment in the thread to include it, either to praise or to damn, was made by the biggest moron. [0] https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-conflict/defense-contractors https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-con...
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  That's decidedly not what we are talking about. Interesting use of projection to get out ahead of anyone accusing you of whataboutism/appeal to hypocrisy.
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somenameforme 4y ago
When war is so unimaginably profitable to the people with an outsized influence in the running of country, that is going to play a significant role in deciding how we shape our geopolitical relations. This is precisely what Eisenhower warned about in his famous farewell address. [1] Literally everything he warned society about has come to pass. [1] - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp

munk-a 4y ago

Two things can simultaneously be true - the military industrial complex can exploit global politics to make money above and beyond what's necessary to actually provide aide to countries. I think the last big weapons deal the US signed before agreeing to help Ukraine was subsidizing Saudi Arabia killing Yemenese in a bid to extract value from their civil war.

lalaland1125 4y ago
> was subsidizing Saudi Arabia Seems really odd to call a deal where Saudi Arabia was paying us for weapons in Yemen a "subsidy". You can argue that we shouldn't have allowed the sale, but it was a net profit for America.
- munk-a 4y ago
  That seems like a fair point, yea - we weren't really subsidizing and more just enabling.
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    Or just part of an international trade in weapons that > 10 other countries participate in. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22/middleeast/arms-exports-saudi-arabia-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22/middleeast/arms-exports-saudi... But that doesn't fit the narrative, now does it?

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago

no, but they (and their peers) are the ones making bank off it Ukraine does not get a check for N billion dollars, it gets N billion dollars worth of outdated equipment at MSRP

jessaustin 4y ago

The idea that USA has any interests whatsoever in Ukraine was definitely "made up" by someone. [0] If anything, Taiwan's outsized international commercial importance makes it less likely to be the next site of disastrous war. Or so I hope... "Fake news" has become a flag phrase, like "whataboutism". The first comment in the thread to include it, either to praise or to damn, was made by the biggest moron. [0] https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-conflict/defense-contractors https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-con...

throwaway29812 4y ago
That's decidedly not what we are talking about. Interesting use of projection to get out ahead of anyone accusing you of whataboutism/appeal to hypocrisy.

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somenameforme 4y ago

When war is so unimaginably profitable to the people with an outsized influence in the running of country, that is going to play a significant role in deciding how we shape our geopolitical relations. This is precisely what Eisenhower warned about in his famous farewell address. [1] Literally everything he warned society about has come to pass. [1] - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp