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This is true of all governments, but the CCP does far more good for China that the U.S. government does for the U.S.
by droptablemain 4y ago
This is true of all governments, but the CCP does far more good for China that the U.S. government does for the U.S.
- throwaway29812 4y agoAre you including the prison camps for millions of their own citizens in that equation?
- hunglee2 4y agoUS leads the world in incarcerated rate. This is fact.
- honkdaddy 4y agoThe difference being that those people stood trial, whether or not you think the sentence was justified. Earnestly, can you see how that's different from being taken away from your home in the middle of the night because your provincial government decided they don't like the way you practice your religion? Does it make sense to you, Hung, that those two situations are very different?
- throwaway29812 4y agoHe needs them to be the same, so his worldview can stay intact.
- alaricus 4y agoNot just lead, but lead by a huge margin.
- alaricus 4y agoUSA has more people in prison than China by a huge margin.
- throwaway29812 4y agoComparing criminals convicted of crimes (taking into account the unfairness of the law of course) with innocent people rounded up because they are the wrong ethnicity or religion is cynical, even for a tankie.
- munk-a 4y agoYeaaaa... no, no it doesn't. Even with all the anti-government rhetoric in the US when it comes to political discussions and the dysfunctional state of congress it's pretty clear that the US has a much more pleasant form of government to live under.
- alaricus 4y ago
- munk-a 4y agoThis feels like an extremely unproductive remark that essentially adds nothing to the discussion: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.[1] 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- alaricus 4y agoThis is deflection, nothing more. Based on what exactly? You made a claim, without anything to back it up.
- munk-a 4y agoAs someone who isn't a huge cheerleader for America I'll add a few specific points. The US rather recently used tear gas to disperse a crowd in an absolutely unjustifiable action - while China has been regularly assaulting Hong Kong residents that are trying to preserve their comparatively free local government. China is chomping at the bit to seize and annex the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) while the US has (granted, with a fair bit of awful execution) generally entered into wars without the explicit goal of bringing more territory under a dictator. On American internet I can criticize Biden, Trump, Manchin and Cruz without being concerned over what consequences the government will try and visit on me for my disloyalty. As a young teenager I watched a neighbor of mine flee the country after 9/11 due to their Omani heritage and relations and I was horrified at how middle-easterners were treated. Some Americans were even kidnapped in the middle of the night and detained (I'd argue illegally) in Gitmo. China has routinely rounded up anti-party agitators. In my early adulthood I watched a semi-serious debate in Vermont about voluntarily leaving the union - anyone even talking about advocating for a free and independent Tibet is routinely arrested. America has shifty credit score companies that dictate what you can and can't afford through opaque, mysterious and often quite flawed metrics - China has social credit. America, as flawed as they may be, has elections, and, again as flawed as they may be, does have two parties - precisely one more party than China has. It'd be really nice if both countries actually had a sane number of political parties but hey 2 > 1.
- juanani 4y ago