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you mean the neighboring countries that objectively had similar (or even lower) restrictions than sweden? The countries like norway, finland and denmark that go

by toolz 4y ago

you mean the neighboring countries that objectively had similar (or even lower) restrictions than sweden? The countries like norway, finland and denmark that got labeled as "strict lockdown" countries only because it was politically expendient? You mean those neighbors? https://i.imgur.com/bjWZS81.png https://i.imgur.com/bjWZS81.png https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index oh and here are some excess deaths you can compare across norway sweden and denmark - the difference is negligible - and this image doesn't even include 2021 where sweden had literally the lowest excess death in europe https://preview.redd.it/u8etorcogu451.png?width=756&format=png&auto=webp&s=292ff6119bf707128e794771bd890414d96ad78e https://preview.redd.it/u8etorcogu451.png?width=756&format=p...

seizethegdgap 4y ago
Your stringency argument falls flat on its face when the source for your argument skips the first 24 months of the pandemic. That same timeframe was when the variants were much more lethal, and the vaccine didn't exist for the first 12 months. Your excess deaths chart shows Sweden's rising by 5,000 people from 2019 to 2020, while Norway and Denmark's fell. This image (https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0168851021002220-gr1.jpg https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S01688510210022...) from this study (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168851021002220 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885102...) is a direct refutation of your argument.
- toolz 4y ago
  Ah, it's been a while since I looked at that chart, didn't realize they had pruned the data to 2022, which is _not_ how long the stringency index measured, which you would know if you had spent any time researching this category study as the oxford stringency index is by _far_ the most cited and utilized index of covid policy. If you actually care about the subject feel free to look it up yourself, don't take my word for it as the measurements are all open source on github, including the methodology used to calculate the index.
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by toolz 4y ago

seizethegdgap 4y ago

Your stringency argument falls flat on its face when the source for your argument skips the first 24 months of the pandemic. That same timeframe was when the variants were much more lethal, and the vaccine didn't exist for the first 12 months. Your excess deaths chart shows Sweden's rising by 5,000 people from 2019 to 2020, while Norway and Denmark's fell. This image (https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0168851021002220-gr1.jpg https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S01688510210022...) from this study (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168851021002220 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885102...) is a direct refutation of your argument.

toolz 4y ago
Ah, it's been a while since I looked at that chart, didn't realize they had pruned the data to 2022, which is _not_ how long the stringency index measured, which you would know if you had spent any time researching this category study as the oxford stringency index is by _far_ the most cited and utilized index of covid policy. If you actually care about the subject feel free to look it up yourself, don't take my word for it as the measurements are all open source on github, including the methodology used to calculate the index.

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