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Lots of reasons why people hate SF. The homeless problems, the petty crime. The smell, the dirtiness, the shitty weather, the actual danger of stepping on human

Lots of reasons why people hate SF. The homeless problems, the petty crime. The smell, the dirtiness, the shitty weather, the actual danger of stepping on human feces, the drug use. To each their own, but I think it's important for people to get out of their headspace and see things from a more general perspective as well. There are very good reasons why people don't like SF and unless people who love the city acknowledge those things, change is likely impossible.

tayo42 4y ago
Except the weather lol I lived in Bernal for years and never experienced any of that...
- deltaonefour 4y ago
  This is what I mean by people not getting out their headspace. I literally find it impossible not to experience every single thing I mentioned above on a daily basis just by walking through the city.
nineplay 4y ago
There are good reasons why people don't like SF but why should people who do like SF care or try to convince them otherwise? I don't like Dallas but I don't think people who do like Dallas need to get out of their headspace and change things for my benefit. Obviously SF has problems and no one loves SF who doesn't want to improve the homeless issue. It doesn't make them wrong to love the city.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Do you know the excitement that surrounds stories like this on foxnews? They want liberal Democrat cities to fail so they can blame leadership as an example
  - cbozeman 4y ago
    That's because leadership is failing. The correct response of leaders is to ignore wealthy citizens attempting to prop up their multi-million dollar 3bed4bath properties and let them know, "We're going to zone more areas for residential development, sorry. 2500 square foot homes shouldn't be $3 million in any area in America." And all these rich liberals - and they are liberals - use the same bullshit line over and over, "I'm all FOR affordable housing... I'm just afraid it'll change the character of our neighborhood." Bull. Shit. You. Lying. Fuck. You thought you'd be able to set up your grandchildren for life because you chose what was a relatively sleepy, and honestly kinda shitty, city back in the 1970s. Fuck you and fuck off. What they're really afraid of is that some politician who really does give a shit about the city will come along and upend their apple cart and their 50 year old brownstone will only be worth $1 million instead of $7 million when they die.
    - nobodyandproud 4y ago
      Anger aside (directed more at liberals or NIMBYs?), California and San Francisco is limiting its potential. Wealth of the area is being strangled by a magnitude. As an individual owner, however, it’s irrational to not fight. So how would you incentivize growth? It can be done, but I do think the lawmakers will have to be creative about it.
      - nineplay 4y ago
        > Wealth of the area is being strangled by a magnitude How so?
        nobodyandproud 4y ago
        For one, real estate value isn’t fixed. A lot of two small houses can made into a condo that serves eight families or more (a very tiny condo). The values of those eight condos isn’t equal to the two houses; the total value will be eventually be quite higher yet individually be more affordable. That’s just the start. Let’s suppose 1000 single family homes were converted into a 4000 units. The construction alone means economic activity, though that’s temporary. 3000 more families means more to that much more demand for services in the long term. Which ripples into more demand for service jobs, generating a demand for labor. More incoming labor means more people, which means more construction activity due to demand. Rinse and repeat. San Francisco is missing out however, because the window of opportunity is passing; that is, if it hasn’t already passed.
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Karrot_Kream 4y ago
> To each their own, but I think it's important for people to get out of their headspace and see things from a more general perspective as well. What makes you think those of us who enjoy living in the area haven't made the conscious choice? There are good reasons I chose to live in the urban parts of the SFBA, just like I presume there are good reasons several of my friends are happily running a household in Seattle, Austin, Chicago, Brooklyn, Columbus, or pretty much any other part of the US.
- deltaonefour 4y ago
  Many haven't... I've literally met people who claim they haven't seen any human feces in San Francisco or drug users and homeless people everywhere. Then there's people like you who prefer the fair and balanced look. Like San Francisco is a city that has some problems just like any other city. Are there really, truly any factually bad places to live in the world? Or is everything just a matter of opinion? Nothing is bad or good it's what each individual makes of it. When is it that enough people believe in something that it's no longer an opinion but a fact? Some people may enjoy being punched in the face but enough people hate being punched in the face that this situation is considered to be factually just a shitty situation to be in, completely independent of opinion. I'm saying enough people are talking shit about SF that SF is pretty much in the zone of being factually categorized as a shitty place to live. If it's not there yet, it's close enough where people need to acknowledge some big problems here that no other 1st world city has.
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tayo42 4y ago

Except the weather lol I lived in Bernal for years and never experienced any of that...

deltaonefour 4y ago
This is what I mean by people not getting out their headspace. I literally find it impossible not to experience every single thing I mentioned above on a daily basis just by walking through the city.

nineplay 4y ago

There are good reasons why people don't like SF but why should people who do like SF care or try to convince them otherwise? I don't like Dallas but I don't think people who do like Dallas need to get out of their headspace and change things for my benefit. Obviously SF has problems and no one loves SF who doesn't want to improve the homeless issue. It doesn't make them wrong to love the city.

themitigating 4y ago
Do you know the excitement that surrounds stories like this on foxnews? They want liberal Democrat cities to fail so they can blame leadership as an example
- cbozeman 4y ago
  That's because leadership is failing. The correct response of leaders is to ignore wealthy citizens attempting to prop up their multi-million dollar 3bed4bath properties and let them know, "We're going to zone more areas for residential development, sorry. 2500 square foot homes shouldn't be $3 million in any area in America." And all these rich liberals - and they are liberals - use the same bullshit line over and over, "I'm all FOR affordable housing... I'm just afraid it'll change the character of our neighborhood." Bull. Shit. You. Lying. Fuck. You thought you'd be able to set up your grandchildren for life because you chose what was a relatively sleepy, and honestly kinda shitty, city back in the 1970s. Fuck you and fuck off. What they're really afraid of is that some politician who really does give a shit about the city will come along and upend their apple cart and their 50 year old brownstone will only be worth $1 million instead of $7 million when they die.
  - nobodyandproud 4y ago
    Anger aside (directed more at liberals or NIMBYs?), California and San Francisco is limiting its potential. Wealth of the area is being strangled by a magnitude. As an individual owner, however, it’s irrational to not fight. So how would you incentivize growth? It can be done, but I do think the lawmakers will have to be creative about it.
    - nineplay 4y ago
      > Wealth of the area is being strangled by a magnitude How so?
      - nobodyandproud 4y ago
        For one, real estate value isn’t fixed. A lot of two small houses can made into a condo that serves eight families or more (a very tiny condo). The values of those eight condos isn’t equal to the two houses; the total value will be eventually be quite higher yet individually be more affordable. That’s just the start. Let’s suppose 1000 single family homes were converted into a 4000 units. The construction alone means economic activity, though that’s temporary. 3000 more families means more to that much more demand for services in the long term. Which ripples into more demand for service jobs, generating a demand for labor. More incoming labor means more people, which means more construction activity due to demand. Rinse and repeat. San Francisco is missing out however, because the window of opportunity is passing; that is, if it hasn’t already passed.

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Karrot_Kream 4y ago

> To each their own, but I think it's important for people to get out of their headspace and see things from a more general perspective as well. What makes you think those of us who enjoy living in the area haven't made the conscious choice? There are good reasons I chose to live in the urban parts of the SFBA, just like I presume there are good reasons several of my friends are happily running a household in Seattle, Austin, Chicago, Brooklyn, Columbus, or pretty much any other part of the US.

deltaonefour 4y ago
Many haven't... I've literally met people who claim they haven't seen any human feces in San Francisco or drug users and homeless people everywhere. Then there's people like you who prefer the fair and balanced look. Like San Francisco is a city that has some problems just like any other city. Are there really, truly any factually bad places to live in the world? Or is everything just a matter of opinion? Nothing is bad or good it's what each individual makes of it. When is it that enough people believe in something that it's no longer an opinion but a fact? Some people may enjoy being punched in the face but enough people hate being punched in the face that this situation is considered to be factually just a shitty situation to be in, completely independent of opinion. I'm saying enough people are talking shit about SF that SF is pretty much in the zone of being factually categorized as a shitty place to live. If it's not there yet, it's close enough where people need to acknowledge some big problems here that no other 1st world city has.

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