It's funny how two years into this we have absolutely no solid answer to "with" vs "from". You'd think these "experts" would realize how absolutely critical it

It's funny how two years into this we have absolutely no solid answer to "with" vs "from". You'd think these "experts" would realize how absolutely critical it is to know the difference because you'll get a dramatically different picture of covid depending on which way you measure. That so many of these "experts" dance around this question and shame the person asking it has made me very, very suspect of their motives.