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You don't have to wait until the entire world has this opportunity before ringing the alarm. If population growth is going down in the areas where the ideas are
by dgs_sgd 4y ago
You don't have to wait until the entire world has this opportunity before ringing the alarm. If population growth is going down in the areas where the ideas are worked on, namely the developed world, which it is, we should still worry.
- snowwrestler 4y agoNo we shouldn’t, because “the developed world” is not a fixed thing. We can make the entire world developed.
- TremendousJudge 4y agoBut who'll work the sweatshops then?
- munk-a 4y agoNobody. Who ever said sweatshops were a necessary part of a functioning economy?
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoIf only we could have developed some machine that are good at doing repetitive work. One can only dream. /S But yeah, I get your point. The fact that we still rely on sweatshop imports proves there's something wrong with our society.
- dgs_sgd 4y agoI agree with you. But development doesn't happen overnight and it's the people who control the ideas and technology that have the power to develop the rest of the world. And if that population growth is in decline at the same time it's needed to push development forward, isn't that cause for concern?
- snowwrestler 4y agoIt’s not a cause for concern. The rate of population growth in highly developed areas can be turned up or down simply by admitting or denying immigrants.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoOnly if you assume that the developed world has some special sauce that requires you being born here to work.
- brokencode 4y agoThat’s one of many reasons why it’s important to keep on investing in underdeveloped countries. There’s no reason why people there couldn’t contribute in the same ways that people in more developed countries contribute. And immigration is a good way to help keep the population of developed countries growing. There really isn’t any reason why we can’t tap into the incredible human resources available in the world if we try.
- zmgsabst 4y agoThere’s two problems with that argument: 1. “People in developed nations don’t breed due to stress, but meh we can just replace them” is a monstrous way to think. 2. You can’t import people as replacements above a certain rate, because it’s the culture of the developed nation which causes the success — and without maintaining that culture, the benefits cease.
- a4isms 4y agoCitation needed for both of your claims, especially the second. What do you mean "it's the culture?" There are democracies everywhere, white people everywhere, protestants everywhere, people speak English everywhere, what is magically special about "the culture" that makes America a powerhouse of innovation? How do you know it doesn't have a lot to do with having two oceans to protect it, and bunch of things that happened 400 years ago to federalize it and create what amounts to a massive economic union? How do you know it isn't one of those things where a little bit of growth magnifies over time if not disrupted by war, just as what makes SF special is that a little bit of growth started there, and the concentration of intellectual and financial capital attracted more intellectual and financial capital? Both of those explanations have nothing to do with a hand-wavey claim of "the culture." And what do you mean that immigration is "a monstrous suggestion?" It sounds an awful lot like you're equating high rates of immigration with genocide. What on Earth is "monstrous" about immigrants? And why is that monstrous, but gentrification of SF by techies not monstrous? Really, this comes across as generic nativism.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
- a4isms 4y agoIf only there was a way to get more people into the developed world without people in the developed world creating new people twenty+ years at a time... The secret to America's success has always been immigration, whether by violent colonialism, accepting of refugees from persecution or war, or inviting talented people to become citizens.
- cseleborg 4y agoNot just America. Europe, and other civilisations in the past, always benefited from immigration.
- inawarminister 4y agoEurope benefited more from emigration (AKA colonization)
- a4isms 4y agoAnd forced emigration, aka “transportation to Australia.”
- anamax 4y ago> The secret to America's success has always been immigration, Actually, no. Every few decades, American has mostly shut-down immigration for a few decades. The last opening was in 1965.
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