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COVID infections, even mild or asymptomatic ones, can cause significant heart damage: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0 https://www.nature.com/

COVID infections, even mild or asymptomatic ones, can cause significant heart damage: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0 This doesn't mean every COVID infection is going to cause permanent heart damage for everyone. But increases in heart failure, etc. could definitely be from the massive, nearly unmitigated global spread of COVID-19.

spookthesunset 4y ago
I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it. ... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a very similar result. It's just nobody gave a shit about it until covid put it on the radar.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...
  - toolz 4y ago
    Tissue fibrosis has been a leading factor and cause in mortality in developed nations far longer than covid has existed. Neither what you said or your parent said is false, but there does seem to be an awful lot of exaggerating the effects of covid.
    - qbasic_forever 4y ago
      COVID has been the #3 cause of overall death in the US for two years now: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0422-third-leading-cause.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0422-third-leading-... "For the second year, COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer." It is no exaggeration to say that COVID is a significant cause of death and threat to the health of the public. Only two things kill more people a year--heart disease and cancer. Not car accidents, not gun violence, not suicides... all those kill far fewer people than COVID.
      - spookthesunset 4y ago
        > COVID has been the #3 cause of overall death in the US for two years now And yet two years into this I've yet to hear a solid answer to "is it 'died with' or 'died from'?" It's kind of funny that there is no answer to that because it dramatically changes how to interpret your figure. All these "experts" just skirt right around that question and asking it gets you labeled as a horrible alt-right grandma killer (which isn't hyperbole either, I've literally been called this multiple times).
        DennisP 4y ago
        The number of total deaths has gone up a little more than the number of known covid deaths. You do the math.
        toolz 4y ago
        in countries that avoided hugely disruptive lockdowns the excess mortality barely moved at all. Sweden, a noteable example because the media attacked them for a year, was the worst faring non-lockdown country in the world and they still don't even break top 30 countries excess deaths during covid. Not only that, but in 2021 sweden had the lowest excess mortality in the entirety of Europe. So let's not pretend the math is simple here. Social disruption is lethal to vulnerable demographics. Even daylight savings time changes notoriously cause a large surge in heart attacks.
  - water554 4y ago
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    > It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. There is so much panic, hysteria and just mythos around covid that I have a hard time believing this. Calling this thing "novel" gave some of these experts a hell of a lot of artistic liberty in how they describe covid. > And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times... I'm still not fully convinced that due to the massive amount of surveillance we've built around covid, it is even fair to compare the IFR of the flu vs. covid. We've never measured the progress of any virus to this degree. If we tracked the flu the same way we tracked covid, what kinds of numbers would we be getting for that virus? We have a massive river of data coming in for covid. Vastly more data about it than any other virus in human history. I don't think anybody knows how to process all of it in a way that lets us meaningfully compare it to anything prior.
    - qbasic_forever 4y ago
      First you say "we should compare COVID to the flu" and now you say "look there's no way you can compare COVID to the flu". And then top it all off with the classic, "well you just can't trust any science in the last two years". You clearly are not arguing in good faith or of sound mind.
      - spookthesunset 4y ago
        People in my area completely lost their minds. Like it was as if somebody cracked open their head and ran a stick blender up there. Some of the smartest people I knew bought so deeply into this stuff that when they'd harass me and call me a "grandma killer", it was basically word salad coming out of their mouth. It was nuts! Of course I'm calling in suspect pretty much every bit of research conducted over the last two years. Nobody had a level head, myself included. It will be at least a decade before things cool down enough to actually look objectively at covid and our mitigations. And I strongly suspect when it is objectively looked at, it will be regarded as one of the worst public health fuckups in human history. Mass hysteria at a level never before possible.
        4y ago

spookthesunset 4y ago

I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it. ... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a very similar result. It's just nobody gave a shit about it until covid put it on the radar.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...
- toolz 4y ago
  Tissue fibrosis has been a leading factor and cause in mortality in developed nations far longer than covid has existed. Neither what you said or your parent said is false, but there does seem to be an awful lot of exaggerating the effects of covid.
  - qbasic_forever 4y ago
    COVID has been the #3 cause of overall death in the US for two years now: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0422-third-leading-cause.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0422-third-leading-... "For the second year, COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer." It is no exaggeration to say that COVID is a significant cause of death and threat to the health of the public. Only two things kill more people a year--heart disease and cancer. Not car accidents, not gun violence, not suicides... all those kill far fewer people than COVID.
    - spookthesunset 4y ago
      > COVID has been the #3 cause of overall death in the US for two years now And yet two years into this I've yet to hear a solid answer to "is it 'died with' or 'died from'?" It's kind of funny that there is no answer to that because it dramatically changes how to interpret your figure. All these "experts" just skirt right around that question and asking it gets you labeled as a horrible alt-right grandma killer (which isn't hyperbole either, I've literally been called this multiple times).
      - DennisP 4y ago
        The number of total deaths has gone up a little more than the number of known covid deaths. You do the math.
        toolz 4y ago
        in countries that avoided hugely disruptive lockdowns the excess mortality barely moved at all. Sweden, a noteable example because the media attacked them for a year, was the worst faring non-lockdown country in the world and they still don't even break top 30 countries excess deaths during covid. Not only that, but in 2021 sweden had the lowest excess mortality in the entirety of Europe. So let's not pretend the math is simple here. Social disruption is lethal to vulnerable demographics. Even daylight savings time changes notoriously cause a large surge in heart attacks.
- water554 4y ago
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  > It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. There is so much panic, hysteria and just mythos around covid that I have a hard time believing this. Calling this thing "novel" gave some of these experts a hell of a lot of artistic liberty in how they describe covid. > And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times... I'm still not fully convinced that due to the massive amount of surveillance we've built around covid, it is even fair to compare the IFR of the flu vs. covid. We've never measured the progress of any virus to this degree. If we tracked the flu the same way we tracked covid, what kinds of numbers would we be getting for that virus? We have a massive river of data coming in for covid. Vastly more data about it than any other virus in human history. I don't think anybody knows how to process all of it in a way that lets us meaningfully compare it to anything prior.
  - qbasic_forever 4y ago
    First you say "we should compare COVID to the flu" and now you say "look there's no way you can compare COVID to the flu". And then top it all off with the classic, "well you just can't trust any science in the last two years". You clearly are not arguing in good faith or of sound mind.
    - spookthesunset 4y ago
      People in my area completely lost their minds. Like it was as if somebody cracked open their head and ran a stick blender up there. Some of the smartest people I knew bought so deeply into this stuff that when they'd harass me and call me a "grandma killer", it was basically word salad coming out of their mouth. It was nuts! Of course I'm calling in suspect pretty much every bit of research conducted over the last two years. Nobody had a level head, myself included. It will be at least a decade before things cool down enough to actually look objectively at covid and our mitigations. And I strongly suspect when it is objectively looked at, it will be regarded as one of the worst public health fuckups in human history. Mass hysteria at a level never before possible.
      - 4y ago