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That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have d

That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous. To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.

swayvil 4y ago
I had 2 die in family past year. Both rigorously vaxxed. Both sudden unexpected heart failure.
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  Correlation is not causation. It's funny that folks point at vaccines while ignoring pre existing conditions, yet with COVID it was the pre existing conditions and not COVID that were killing people.
  - capitainenemo 4y ago
    Covid certainly has far a higher risk of heart damage on its own, and anecdote is not evidence, but there is a small amount of research that careless vaccination can cause damage as well. https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/179175/HKU-study-warns-against-accidental-vaccination-into-veins https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/17917...
    - capitainenemo 4y ago
      Hm.. for all the people downvoting, did you check out the research and article on risk of not aspirating/poor injection point? It seems like a legitimate concern. I can locate some more citations as well if you wish.
  - forcejdhdk 4y ago
    My grandmother was in rehab recovering from an unrelated surgery and was vaccinated because there was a mandate in her state. She was 90, and suddenly died the next day. Nobody will tell us the cause of death. But you know. Correlation is not causation! The vaccines are just as safe and effective as promised! Oh, wait, not effective. They're safe though! Trust us, we're the government, we wouldn't lie!
- ipaddr 4y ago
  The more vaxxed the greater the risk of death from the stress the vaccine puts on the body.
Angostura 4y ago
You either believe the statistics, or you don't - but your anecdata is meaningless. The excess mortality figures tell you need to know.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  How do you subtract the number of deaths caused by the vaccine itself?
  - addled 4y ago
    Then you can look at the excess deaths statistics from the time the pandemic started, but before vaccines became available. It paints a similar picture. A lot more people "than usual" dying in 2020 (before vaccines in US).
    - forcejdhdk 4y ago
      And that could have nothing to do at all with the more deadly alpha and delta strains that are now extinct?
      - mrtesthah 4y ago
        "Omicron Deaths in U.S. Exceed Delta’s Peak as Covid-19 Optimism Rises in Europe" https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-deltas-peak-as-covid-19-optimism-rises-in-europe-11643201653 https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-de...
        moistly 4y ago
        Omicron is less deadly on an individual basis by, IIRC, about 60%; it causes more deaths on a population basis because it infects vastly more people.
        mrtesthah 4y ago
mdp2021 4y ago
> I've seen no evidence > Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion No, not precisely. Others have seen dozens. Still getting conversation lines like "I called that former colleague since it's been years... His wife told me he went, lungless, two years ago, at the beginning of the whole thing". Similarly for other more recent matters (it's not important to go in details here). It was not really "blown completely out of proportion", more like "very badly managed, communicationally, procedurally, juridically, strategically, civilly, socially" - in some areas. A serious matter dealt with clumsily, mindlessly and hysterically.
moistly 4y ago
I suppose you must not count the news broadcasts from NYC showing refrigerator trucks filled with bodies stacked like cordwood as “personally observed” evidence of a pandemic.
- robonerd 4y ago
  No, that would be observed through media, not personally observed. Perhaps, re-read my comment?

swayvil 4y ago

I had 2 die in family past year. Both rigorously vaxxed. Both sudden unexpected heart failure.

candiddevmike 4y ago
Correlation is not causation. It's funny that folks point at vaccines while ignoring pre existing conditions, yet with COVID it was the pre existing conditions and not COVID that were killing people.
- capitainenemo 4y ago
  Covid certainly has far a higher risk of heart damage on its own, and anecdote is not evidence, but there is a small amount of research that careless vaccination can cause damage as well. https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/179175/HKU-study-warns-against-accidental-vaccination-into-veins https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/17917...
  - capitainenemo 4y ago
    Hm.. for all the people downvoting, did you check out the research and article on risk of not aspirating/poor injection point? It seems like a legitimate concern. I can locate some more citations as well if you wish.
- forcejdhdk 4y ago
  My grandmother was in rehab recovering from an unrelated surgery and was vaccinated because there was a mandate in her state. She was 90, and suddenly died the next day. Nobody will tell us the cause of death. But you know. Correlation is not causation! The vaccines are just as safe and effective as promised! Oh, wait, not effective. They're safe though! Trust us, we're the government, we wouldn't lie!
ipaddr 4y ago
The more vaxxed the greater the risk of death from the stress the vaccine puts on the body.

Angostura 4y ago

You either believe the statistics, or you don't - but your anecdata is meaningless. The excess mortality figures tell you need to know.

ipaddr 4y ago
How do you subtract the number of deaths caused by the vaccine itself?
- addled 4y ago
  Then you can look at the excess deaths statistics from the time the pandemic started, but before vaccines became available. It paints a similar picture. A lot more people "than usual" dying in 2020 (before vaccines in US).
  - forcejdhdk 4y ago
    And that could have nothing to do at all with the more deadly alpha and delta strains that are now extinct?
    - mrtesthah 4y ago
      "Omicron Deaths in U.S. Exceed Delta’s Peak as Covid-19 Optimism Rises in Europe" https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-deltas-peak-as-covid-19-optimism-rises-in-europe-11643201653 https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-de...
      - moistly 4y ago
        Omicron is less deadly on an individual basis by, IIRC, about 60%; it causes more deaths on a population basis because it infects vastly more people.
        mrtesthah 4y ago

mdp2021 4y ago

> I've seen no evidence > Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion No, not precisely. Others have seen dozens. Still getting conversation lines like "I called that former colleague since it's been years... His wife told me he went, lungless, two years ago, at the beginning of the whole thing". Similarly for other more recent matters (it's not important to go in details here). It was not really "blown completely out of proportion", more like "very badly managed, communicationally, procedurally, juridically, strategically, civilly, socially" - in some areas. A serious matter dealt with clumsily, mindlessly and hysterically.

moistly 4y ago

I suppose you must not count the news broadcasts from NYC showing refrigerator trucks filled with bodies stacked like cordwood as “personally observed” evidence of a pandemic.

robonerd 4y ago
No, that would be observed through media, not personally observed. Perhaps, re-read my comment?