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I'm not sure what it would even mean for a union to "just show up". A union is by definition a group of employees. I guess you're talking about, maybe, represe

I'm not sure what it would even mean for a union to "just show up". A union is by definition a group of employees. I guess you're talking about, maybe, representatives of a national union coming to an employer without there first being a union vote within...? That's not remotely like what's being discussed here. What this situation is, and what's being talked about, are a union formed within the company (whether or not it's affiliated with a national union) and whether the employer has to recognize it and bargain collectively. I can't even fathom the idea of a union with no members at a given company or organization "just showing up" and trying to get the management to bargain with them on their workers' behalf. It's just utterly nonsensical.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> I can't even fathom the idea of a union with no members at a given company or organization "just showing up" and trying to get the management to bargain with them on their workers' behalf. It's just utterly nonsensical. That's how many unions work. For example look at what is happening with Amazon warehouses - existing external unions turn up and try to recruit workers. You also see it for example in the UK where unions have a political party and try to use that to change labour laws through normal government elections. Whether or not that's nonsensical is a matter of opinion!
- danaris 4y ago
  I don't think that's a reasonable interpretation of what you said earlier, though. You were talking about a union "showing up and dictating to the company", not "showing up and recruiting employees to join the union through the normal legal process, then bargain collectively with the company the way unions do".
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Bottom line is - the union needs to convince the company to listen to them. If they don't convince the company, then the company can ignore them. That was the original question.

chrisseaton 4y ago

> I can't even fathom the idea of a union with no members at a given company or organization "just showing up" and trying to get the management to bargain with them on their workers' behalf. It's just utterly nonsensical. That's how many unions work. For example look at what is happening with Amazon warehouses - existing external unions turn up and try to recruit workers. You also see it for example in the UK where unions have a political party and try to use that to change labour laws through normal government elections. Whether or not that's nonsensical is a matter of opinion!

danaris 4y ago
I don't think that's a reasonable interpretation of what you said earlier, though. You were talking about a union "showing up and dictating to the company", not "showing up and recruiting employees to join the union through the normal legal process, then bargain collectively with the company the way unions do".
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Bottom line is - the union needs to convince the company to listen to them. If they don't convince the company, then the company can ignore them. That was the original question.