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Leaving the country is not trivial for most people. I see this comment a lot from people who have left, but for lack of a better term it's an extremely "privile

by cpsns 4y ago

Leaving the country is not trivial for most people. I see this comment a lot from people who have left, but for lack of a better term it's an extremely "privileged" position. If you're either not in a high demand industry, not highly skilled, or lack a degree you aren't going to be leaving Canada. Even if you are all of those things it can still be difficult. I'd leave in an instant but despite being highly skilled I lack a university degree which in my experience has made it almost impossible, despite trying.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term A plane ticket out of Canada has never costed me more than half of average monthly rent in BC
- cpsns 4y ago
  How is the cost of a plane ticket relevant at all? I can afford to fly around the world tomorrow if I want, that doesn't matter. > I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term I'm not going to partake in this dude. You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way. Not everyone gets the same opportunities and not everyone has the same life circumstances.
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    In which case I wish you all the best of luck that your outlook improves.
  - kenned3 4y ago
    "You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way." it is always external factors isn't it? He's privileged, I went to the US for years because i am privileged.. Everyone else who has done this is privileged? This is sort of the "everyone thinks they are above average which is impossible" problem.. Not everyone can be "privileged".. maybe that isnt the issue after all? what have YOU done to make YOURSELF admissible? No one will do this for you... there isn't any form of "Affirmative action" program to enter a foreign country. They admit based on your skills and abilities and their needs to fill those roles. Look at the requirements, find out what you are missing..
- verve_rat 4y ago
  It's not the ticket out. It is the right to work in another country. Generally that requires some skills that are in short supply. That doesn't necessarily mean having a degree, but that doesn't hurt when trying to get a work visa.
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  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    So out of curiosity and someone who isn't Canadian, what exactly is keeping individuals? Most countries I see, the problem is one of the two. Non-English industry and one doesn't speak the native language. Missing a desirable education + experience combo (e.g. any masters or PhD, STEM bachelor, software dev with 3+ YoE). I'd imagine most individuals looking here would hit one of the requirements on the last, and English tends to be the language spoken in software dev in most of the world (or at least, the ability to). Several may be willing to accommodate non-native language speakers on several other fields, too. At the very least, I know much of Europe is bending over backwards for skilled workers (backlash from trying to cheapen everything and from the US taking EU's skilled workers, I guess) and the US is Canada's neighbor.
    - mmartinson 4y ago
      Out of curiosity for someone who is Canadian, what’s the assumed pull? Historically it would be income and career opportunities, but the tide has turned on that quite significantly in the last 5-10 years. Outside of that, it’s safe, clean, people are friendly, there are nice things. With a middle of the road tech salary the price of internet is a non concern. That said, Canadian politics and crony capitalism are a grind sometimes, but looking over the fence it’s not totally obvious that other systems aren’t trading one set of intractable problems for another.
      - 908B64B197 4y ago
        > Historically it would be income and career opportunities, but the tide has turned on that quite significantly in the last 5-10 years. Has it? When hiring for US positions we get a lot of resumes from Canada.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  A plane ticket doesn’t come with a work permit.
sandworm101 4y ago
Or have family/dependents that mean you cannot just up and leave your home country.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  This, along with the increasing awareness regarding consumption and emissions, is way bigger than most people make it out to be. Even without dependents, it seems easy until you realize if anything happens to your immediate family, it becomes a lot more difficult to see them (and vice versa). It's a tradeoff between freedom and community, but it's still a tradeoff most people aren't fully aware off.
underdeserver 4y ago
Surely relocating your life is such a big move that you can plan for it ahead of time and get a degree? It doesn't have to be from a good, expensive university, as long as it's recognized. And I think for software engineers with experience getting a degree in CS while not trivial is doable, especially if you're not hoping for high grades.
- Tronno 4y ago
  Wait, are you saying it's reasonable to radically restructure the next few years of one's life just to protest internet prices?
kenned3 4y ago
"highly skilled I lack a university degree which in my experience has made it almost impossible, despite trying." I'm in the same boat, highly skilled and lack a university degree. I left for ~8 years and came back. The TN visa program has many qualifying jobs that dont require uni degrees. It was VERY easy.. apply for US job, take US Job offer to the boarder, pay like $35 and get a TN stamp in my passport. Use this to get a Social security number, bank account, etc. I'm STRONGLY advising all my kids leave. The taxes and how you are treated in Canada is shitty. Try finding a Doctor here, or sign up for any programs. 6 month wait lists, overbooked, overcrowding... This country LOVES to make promises to get your votes, takes your tax dollars to pay for it, but fails to deliver when you need the services you paid for? Get a decent job, they will provide good coverage and you can see a doctor next-day.

by cpsns 4y ago

jamal-kumar 4y ago

I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term A plane ticket out of Canada has never costed me more than half of average monthly rent in BC

cpsns 4y ago
How is the cost of a plane ticket relevant at all? I can afford to fly around the world tomorrow if I want, that doesn't matter. > I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term I'm not going to partake in this dude. You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way. Not everyone gets the same opportunities and not everyone has the same life circumstances.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  In which case I wish you all the best of luck that your outlook improves.
- kenned3 4y ago
  "You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way." it is always external factors isn't it? He's privileged, I went to the US for years because i am privileged.. Everyone else who has done this is privileged? This is sort of the "everyone thinks they are above average which is impossible" problem.. Not everyone can be "privileged".. maybe that isnt the issue after all? what have YOU done to make YOURSELF admissible? No one will do this for you... there isn't any form of "Affirmative action" program to enter a foreign country. They admit based on your skills and abilities and their needs to fill those roles. Look at the requirements, find out what you are missing..
verve_rat 4y ago
It's not the ticket out. It is the right to work in another country. Generally that requires some skills that are in short supply. That doesn't necessarily mean having a degree, but that doesn't hurt when trying to get a work visa.
- deleted 4y ago
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- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  So out of curiosity and someone who isn't Canadian, what exactly is keeping individuals? Most countries I see, the problem is one of the two. Non-English industry and one doesn't speak the native language. Missing a desirable education + experience combo (e.g. any masters or PhD, STEM bachelor, software dev with 3+ YoE). I'd imagine most individuals looking here would hit one of the requirements on the last, and English tends to be the language spoken in software dev in most of the world (or at least, the ability to). Several may be willing to accommodate non-native language speakers on several other fields, too. At the very least, I know much of Europe is bending over backwards for skilled workers (backlash from trying to cheapen everything and from the US taking EU's skilled workers, I guess) and the US is Canada's neighbor.
  - mmartinson 4y ago
    Out of curiosity for someone who is Canadian, what’s the assumed pull? Historically it would be income and career opportunities, but the tide has turned on that quite significantly in the last 5-10 years. Outside of that, it’s safe, clean, people are friendly, there are nice things. With a middle of the road tech salary the price of internet is a non concern. That said, Canadian politics and crony capitalism are a grind sometimes, but looking over the fence it’s not totally obvious that other systems aren’t trading one set of intractable problems for another.
    - 908B64B197 4y ago
      > Historically it would be income and career opportunities, but the tide has turned on that quite significantly in the last 5-10 years. Has it? When hiring for US positions we get a lot of resumes from Canada.
fnordpiglet 4y ago
A plane ticket doesn’t come with a work permit.

sandworm101 4y ago

Or have family/dependents that mean you cannot just up and leave your home country.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
This, along with the increasing awareness regarding consumption and emissions, is way bigger than most people make it out to be. Even without dependents, it seems easy until you realize if anything happens to your immediate family, it becomes a lot more difficult to see them (and vice versa). It's a tradeoff between freedom and community, but it's still a tradeoff most people aren't fully aware off.

underdeserver 4y ago

Surely relocating your life is such a big move that you can plan for it ahead of time and get a degree? It doesn't have to be from a good, expensive university, as long as it's recognized. And I think for software engineers with experience getting a degree in CS while not trivial is doable, especially if you're not hoping for high grades.

Tronno 4y ago
Wait, are you saying it's reasonable to radically restructure the next few years of one's life just to protest internet prices?

kenned3 4y ago

"highly skilled I lack a university degree which in my experience has made it almost impossible, despite trying." I'm in the same boat, highly skilled and lack a university degree. I left for ~8 years and came back. The TN visa program has many qualifying jobs that dont require uni degrees. It was VERY easy.. apply for US job, take US Job offer to the boarder, pay like $35 and get a TN stamp in my passport. Use this to get a Social security number, bank account, etc. I'm STRONGLY advising all my kids leave. The taxes and how you are treated in Canada is shitty. Try finding a Doctor here, or sign up for any programs. 6 month wait lists, overbooked, overcrowding... This country LOVES to make promises to get your votes, takes your tax dollars to pay for it, but fails to deliver when you need the services you paid for? Get a decent job, they will provide good coverage and you can see a doctor next-day.