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I mean you can do what I did and leave. A lot of intelligent people have already. Hello, doctor shortage? It's a nice passport.

ckdarby 4y ago
You left over internet and mobile bills? Damn.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  I ran a VoIP company before leaving because of spook interference. Long story I won't tell here.
ejb999 4y ago
didn't realize there was a doctor shortage in Canada - all I ever hear about countries with socialized medicine is how they are better than the US at delivering health care more cheaply - possibly true in some respects, but if there is no doctor to see you, than it really doesn't matter. US system is far from perfect, but at least I can always find a doctor when I need one.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  It's awful if you have a chronic health condition or need specialists but when you get hit by a car and don't have to pay a huge hospital bill it is pretty cool. Still it's hemorrhaging talent because of dumb pay schemes that could probably be fixed overnight if it wasn't for the aforementioned financial illiteracy
- rfrey 4y ago
  There's a shortage of primary care, family doctors in Canada, but that's a systemic issue resulting from a skewed payment system that undervalues family medicine. The result is some difficulty getting a family doctor after you leave home as many practices are fully booked with patients and there aren't as many young physicians entering family medicine as we need. The outcome is having to go to a walk-in clinic or (worst case) the ER room if you need care and don't have a doctor. That's inconvenient because of having to sit in the waiting room for a few hours. In Alberta there is a genuine issue with doctors leaving the province (mostly for other provinces, not the country entirely), but that is the direct result of the conservative government there waging war on the public medical system in an effort to build support for a private system. The only place I hear about the terrible medical care situation in Canada is in the American far-right press and some of their Canadian surrogates (e.g. Rebel News in Alberta).
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Is there a country on the planet without a doctor/nurse shortage? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that their had too much healthcare available. No healthcare system is perfect but Canadians are not dropping dead in the streets for lack of doctors. There are localized issues, mostly due to the distances involved in Canada, but the population as a whole is doing better than most. Just look at the COVID numbers. For all its problems, Canada's healthcare system is handling COVID far better than the US. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    I ask Canada for a specialist and I'm on a waiting list for half a year and then my appointment gets cancelled. I fly to Latin America and go to a doctor throw down less than 100$ and my health is immediately better. Total investment stays under 1000$.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      Yes. In Latin America rich people can almost always purchase better/faster healthcare. Lots of things are cheaper in other countries. Rich people in the US can buy instant healthcare too. Your cash just wont go as far in the US.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  In Canada you get what you pay for... Healthcare is free but it's also pretty shit. Care in Europe is far better, care in the US is far better if you have money.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  US has their own versions of this.. basically all General Practitioner aka Family Doctor offices closed here twenty years ago.. rural areas have not one local doctor in many places of the USA - keyword search "medically underserved"
- corrral 4y ago
  > US system is far from perfect, but at least I can always find a doctor when I need one. You can easily find this, and basically every other problem and horror story from countries with universal care, in the US. Long wait times, trouble finding doctors who are taking new patients, trouble getting appointments with specialists. All that stuff. It varies by location and by which healthcare "networks" you have access to. And on top of that we get the how-the-fuck-is-this-still-a-thing nightmare of US healthcare billing.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >didn't realize there was a doctor shortage in Canada It is impossible for someone who moves to Halifax, for example, to get a new primary care doctor (<https://globalnews.ca/news/2668767/halifax-area-doctor-says-province-neglecting-shortage-of-family-physicians-in-hrm/ https://globalnews.ca/news/2668767/halifax-area-doctor-says-...>, <https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/john-ross-healthcare-doctor-shortage-waitlist-creativity-paramedics-nurses-1.4393000 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/john-ross-healthc...>).
cpsns 4y ago
Leaving the country is not trivial for most people. I see this comment a lot from people who have left, but for lack of a better term it's an extremely "privileged" position. If you're either not in a high demand industry, not highly skilled, or lack a degree you aren't going to be leaving Canada. Even if you are all of those things it can still be difficult. I'd leave in an instant but despite being highly skilled I lack a university degree which in my experience has made it almost impossible, despite trying.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term A plane ticket out of Canada has never costed me more than half of average monthly rent in BC
  - cpsns 4y ago
    How is the cost of a plane ticket relevant at all? I can afford to fly around the world tomorrow if I want, that doesn't matter. > I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term I'm not going to partake in this dude. You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way. Not everyone gets the same opportunities and not everyone has the same life circumstances.
    - jamal-kumar 4y ago
      In which case I wish you all the best of luck that your outlook improves.
    - kenned3 4y ago
      "You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way." it is always external factors isn't it? He's privileged, I went to the US for years because i am privileged.. Everyone else who has done this is privileged? This is sort of the "everyone thinks they are above average which is impossible" problem.. Not everyone can be "privileged".. maybe that isnt the issue after all? what have YOU done to make YOURSELF admissible? No one will do this for you... there isn't any form of "Affirmative action" program to enter a foreign country. They admit based on your skills and abilities and their needs to fill those roles. Look at the requirements, find out what you are missing..
perlpimp 4y ago
on concurrent note can't get out of country car insurance which is 200-300$/month for a junker car just collision liability bare basics. it is a bit of a crisis way established institutions fleece us Canadians.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Where do you live? I'm in a medium-sized city near Toronto and pay around $60. Mid-20s, male, basic liability on a 19-year-old VW.
  - perlpimp 4y ago
    Toronto downtown, thats the quotes I got for toyta Camry 18 years old.
Kranar 4y ago
Canada has the same doctors per capita as the U.S., it's just that in Canada access to health care is considered a defacto universal right whereas in the U.S. for much of the population health care is a privilege or benefit associated with employment.
jszymborski 4y ago
Canada has problems, and it's good to talk about them lest we never be rid of them. Suggesting "just leave" is a pretty facile argument if I'm being abundantly generous. Fleeing a country whenever you take issue with industry cronyism is an excellent way to move to a new country every 3 weeks. It's also a great way to make sure whatever policies you disagree with flourish in your absence. Changing country comes at a huge financial and emotional cost not everyone can afford. What country did you move to that magically doesn't have any problems?

ckdarby 4y ago

You left over internet and mobile bills? Damn.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
I ran a VoIP company before leaving because of spook interference. Long story I won't tell here.

ejb999 4y ago

didn't realize there was a doctor shortage in Canada - all I ever hear about countries with socialized medicine is how they are better than the US at delivering health care more cheaply - possibly true in some respects, but if there is no doctor to see you, than it really doesn't matter. US system is far from perfect, but at least I can always find a doctor when I need one.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
It's awful if you have a chronic health condition or need specialists but when you get hit by a car and don't have to pay a huge hospital bill it is pretty cool. Still it's hemorrhaging talent because of dumb pay schemes that could probably be fixed overnight if it wasn't for the aforementioned financial illiteracy
rfrey 4y ago
There's a shortage of primary care, family doctors in Canada, but that's a systemic issue resulting from a skewed payment system that undervalues family medicine. The result is some difficulty getting a family doctor after you leave home as many practices are fully booked with patients and there aren't as many young physicians entering family medicine as we need. The outcome is having to go to a walk-in clinic or (worst case) the ER room if you need care and don't have a doctor. That's inconvenient because of having to sit in the waiting room for a few hours. In Alberta there is a genuine issue with doctors leaving the province (mostly for other provinces, not the country entirely), but that is the direct result of the conservative government there waging war on the public medical system in an effort to build support for a private system. The only place I hear about the terrible medical care situation in Canada is in the American far-right press and some of their Canadian surrogates (e.g. Rebel News in Alberta).
sandworm101 4y ago
Is there a country on the planet without a doctor/nurse shortage? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that their had too much healthcare available. No healthcare system is perfect but Canadians are not dropping dead in the streets for lack of doctors. There are localized issues, mostly due to the distances involved in Canada, but the population as a whole is doing better than most. Just look at the COVID numbers. For all its problems, Canada's healthcare system is handling COVID far better than the US. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  I ask Canada for a specialist and I'm on a waiting list for half a year and then my appointment gets cancelled. I fly to Latin America and go to a doctor throw down less than 100$ and my health is immediately better. Total investment stays under 1000$.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    Yes. In Latin America rich people can almost always purchase better/faster healthcare. Lots of things are cheaper in other countries. Rich people in the US can buy instant healthcare too. Your cash just wont go as far in the US.
Mikeb85 4y ago
In Canada you get what you pay for... Healthcare is free but it's also pretty shit. Care in Europe is far better, care in the US is far better if you have money.
mistrial9 4y ago
US has their own versions of this.. basically all General Practitioner aka Family Doctor offices closed here twenty years ago.. rural areas have not one local doctor in many places of the USA - keyword search "medically underserved"
corrral 4y ago
> US system is far from perfect, but at least I can always find a doctor when I need one. You can easily find this, and basically every other problem and horror story from countries with universal care, in the US. Long wait times, trouble finding doctors who are taking new patients, trouble getting appointments with specialists. All that stuff. It varies by location and by which healthcare "networks" you have access to. And on top of that we get the how-the-fuck-is-this-still-a-thing nightmare of US healthcare billing.
TMWNN 4y ago
>didn't realize there was a doctor shortage in Canada It is impossible for someone who moves to Halifax, for example, to get a new primary care doctor (<https://globalnews.ca/news/2668767/halifax-area-doctor-says-province-neglecting-shortage-of-family-physicians-in-hrm/ https://globalnews.ca/news/2668767/halifax-area-doctor-says-...>, <https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/john-ross-healthcare-doctor-shortage-waitlist-creativity-paramedics-nurses-1.4393000 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/john-ross-healthc...>).

cpsns 4y ago

Leaving the country is not trivial for most people. I see this comment a lot from people who have left, but for lack of a better term it's an extremely "privileged" position. If you're either not in a high demand industry, not highly skilled, or lack a degree you aren't going to be leaving Canada. Even if you are all of those things it can still be difficult. I'd leave in an instant but despite being highly skilled I lack a university degree which in my experience has made it almost impossible, despite trying.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term A plane ticket out of Canada has never costed me more than half of average monthly rent in BC
- cpsns 4y ago
  How is the cost of a plane ticket relevant at all? I can afford to fly around the world tomorrow if I want, that doesn't matter. > I don't have a uni degree either, kinda sounds like a you problem for lack of a better term I'm not going to partake in this dude. You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way. Not everyone gets the same opportunities and not everyone has the same life circumstances.
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    In which case I wish you all the best of luck that your outlook improves.
  - kenned3 4y ago
    "You don't have to be nasty because I suggested you might be privileged in some way." it is always external factors isn't it? He's privileged, I went to the US for years because i am privileged.. Everyone else who has done this is privileged? This is sort of the "everyone thinks they are above average which is impossible" problem.. Not everyone can be "privileged".. maybe that isnt the issue after all? what have YOU done to make YOURSELF admissible? No one will do this for you... there isn't any form of "Affirmative action" program to enter a foreign country. They admit based on your skills and abilities and their needs to fill those roles. Look at the requirements, find out what you are missing..

perlpimp 4y ago

on concurrent note can't get out of country car insurance which is 200-300$/month for a junker car just collision liability bare basics. it is a bit of a crisis way established institutions fleece us Canadians.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
Where do you live? I'm in a medium-sized city near Toronto and pay around $60. Mid-20s, male, basic liability on a 19-year-old VW.
- perlpimp 4y ago
  Toronto downtown, thats the quotes I got for toyta Camry 18 years old.

Kranar 4y ago

Canada has the same doctors per capita as the U.S., it's just that in Canada access to health care is considered a defacto universal right whereas in the U.S. for much of the population health care is a privilege or benefit associated with employment.

jszymborski 4y ago

Canada has problems, and it's good to talk about them lest we never be rid of them. Suggesting "just leave" is a pretty facile argument if I'm being abundantly generous. Fleeing a country whenever you take issue with industry cronyism is an excellent way to move to a new country every 3 weeks. It's also a great way to make sure whatever policies you disagree with flourish in your absence. Changing country comes at a huge financial and emotional cost not everyone can afford. What country did you move to that magically doesn't have any problems?