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I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. They do what they do just to show that they can.

by goshx 4y ago

kjeetgill 4y ago
I was thinking the exact same thing, as former (and reformed) lightweight teen hacker. My motivations? Employment? More like for the sheer joy of discovery and fascination with working through ideas. And maybe the slightly sketchier teen hackers: lulz.
- iratewizard 4y ago
  It's not enough to notice that something's possible. You have to do it for a good laugh and show your friends. Sorry, Valve.
- 0des 4y ago
  I just wanted to know what was out there, and most importantly what actual aliens looked like. I cringe now.
  - bornfreddy 4y ago
    That was one thing that became pretty apparent with smartphones - those blurred "photos" of UFOs were scams. If they weren't, there would be tons of high quality alien vehicles footage available by now.
    - MockObject 4y ago
      I'm not sure about that. I have a pretty good phone, but I still can't take a decent picture of the moon, so I'd have no hope with a suspicious airplane-sized light in the night sky. The cameras are optimized for selfies and meals.
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  - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
    >I cringe now. Why? They look that scary?
dontbenebby 4y ago
>I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. Your sample is probably biased in some way. I've met many who feel trapped in wage slavery, here in the USA.
- 867-5309 4y ago
  agree. the freelancer / gig economy is dominate by script kiddie / template churner companies in India for whom $2/hr is a good wage. there's no competing with that
  - cupofpython 4y ago
    this is a feature, not a bug, of globalization. Work that can be done in cheaper countries is allocated there. On a related note (and I get negative feedback whenever i say this, but) this is the future of all software developers as i see it. If you can do your entire job remotely, then "remote" is going to get optimized over time. It does not make sense to spend your time in USA (for example) coding when you can stop at developing the specs and send it overseas to be coded for half the cost or less. Architects dont lay bricks, and brick layers dont need to understand architecture. Accumulating knowledge of many different types of syntax for expressing the same principles is something that is only going to depreciate in value over time.
    - pault 4y ago
      "Just" sending it overseas to be coded is more likely to end in failure than success, unless you have a lot of experience and know what the pitfalls are (which is a very expensive education). I'm not picking on developing countries; the same goes for big enterprise contractor providers in the U.S. They have no incentive to write stable, maintainable code. Their incentive is to make it just stable enough to not get sued and get it out the door as quickly as possible. An employee that will have to live with that code for several years will focus on maintainability purely out of self interest if nothing else. As to whether overseas firms are able to undercut domestic firms, it's a possibility, but anyone that has dealt with time zone issues and cultural barriers most likely knows what they are sacrificing to get that discounted rate.
Terry_Roll 4y ago
What do you expect when the world is run by criminals? Seriously!?! Look at the people who make laws, they dont have the intelligence or morality to even teach a TL;DR to everyone at school. Talk about set up to fail! And when they upgrade the laws they dont even inform each and every member of the public, let alone let the public debate whether its a good law or not. Democracy is the ultimate criminal act because people are tricked into having laws forced upon them by a small minority of criminals who decide what is best for you. Democracy is parenting of adults. And yet the stupid keep holding up the law as an example of righteousness without knowing ALL the laws. What is the definition of stupid? A law abiding citizen.
- tomc1985 4y ago
  So what would you have instead? A fully participatory democracy where every citizen votes on everything? Or authoritarianism?
  - Terry_Roll 4y ago
    > A fully participatory democracy where every citizen votes on everything? What like Switzerland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy#Referendums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy#Refere...
fny 4y ago
This a thousand times. The more nefarious hacks are done by state actors and professional groups. For script kiddies, it's mostly for the lulz.
the_only_law 4y ago
> I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. They do what they do just to show that they can. Even worse: when I was a kid trying to hack around everyone had some (probably false or based on rare occurrences) where the hacker/script kiddie would get caught but employed for their skills instead of prosecuted.
- radlad 4y ago
  This is the story of how Jono met Dug Song and started Duo! https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/how-hackers-dug-song-and-jono-oberhide-teamed-up-to-start-duo-security.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/how-hackers-dug-song-and-jon...

I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. They do what they do just to show that they can.

by goshx 4y ago

I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. They do what they do just to show that they can.

kjeetgill 4y ago

I was thinking the exact same thing, as former (and reformed) lightweight teen hacker. My motivations? Employment? More like for the sheer joy of discovery and fascination with working through ideas. And maybe the slightly sketchier teen hackers: lulz.

iratewizard 4y ago
It's not enough to notice that something's possible. You have to do it for a good laugh and show your friends. Sorry, Valve.
0des 4y ago
I just wanted to know what was out there, and most importantly what actual aliens looked like. I cringe now.
- bornfreddy 4y ago
  That was one thing that became pretty apparent with smartphones - those blurred "photos" of UFOs were scams. If they weren't, there would be tons of high quality alien vehicles footage available by now.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    I'm not sure about that. I have a pretty good phone, but I still can't take a decent picture of the moon, so I'd have no hope with a suspicious airplane-sized light in the night sky. The cameras are optimized for selfies and meals.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
  >I cringe now. Why? They look that scary?

dontbenebby 4y ago

>I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. Your sample is probably biased in some way. I've met many who feel trapped in wage slavery, here in the USA.

867-5309 4y ago
agree. the freelancer / gig economy is dominate by script kiddie / template churner companies in India for whom $2/hr is a good wage. there's no competing with that
- cupofpython 4y ago
  this is a feature, not a bug, of globalization. Work that can be done in cheaper countries is allocated there. On a related note (and I get negative feedback whenever i say this, but) this is the future of all software developers as i see it. If you can do your entire job remotely, then "remote" is going to get optimized over time. It does not make sense to spend your time in USA (for example) coding when you can stop at developing the specs and send it overseas to be coded for half the cost or less. Architects dont lay bricks, and brick layers dont need to understand architecture. Accumulating knowledge of many different types of syntax for expressing the same principles is something that is only going to depreciate in value over time.
  - pault 4y ago
    "Just" sending it overseas to be coded is more likely to end in failure than success, unless you have a lot of experience and know what the pitfalls are (which is a very expensive education). I'm not picking on developing countries; the same goes for big enterprise contractor providers in the U.S. They have no incentive to write stable, maintainable code. Their incentive is to make it just stable enough to not get sued and get it out the door as quickly as possible. An employee that will have to live with that code for several years will focus on maintainability purely out of self interest if nothing else. As to whether overseas firms are able to undercut domestic firms, it's a possibility, but anyone that has dealt with time zone issues and cultural barriers most likely knows what they are sacrificing to get that discounted rate.

Terry_Roll 4y ago

What do you expect when the world is run by criminals? Seriously!?! Look at the people who make laws, they dont have the intelligence or morality to even teach a TL;DR to everyone at school. Talk about set up to fail! And when they upgrade the laws they dont even inform each and every member of the public, let alone let the public debate whether its a good law or not. Democracy is the ultimate criminal act because people are tricked into having laws forced upon them by a small minority of criminals who decide what is best for you. Democracy is parenting of adults. And yet the stupid keep holding up the law as an example of righteousness without knowing ALL the laws. What is the definition of stupid? A law abiding citizen.

tomc1985 4y ago
So what would you have instead? A fully participatory democracy where every citizen votes on everything? Or authoritarianism?
- Terry_Roll 4y ago
  > A fully participatory democracy where every citizen votes on everything? What like Switzerland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy#Referendums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy#Refere...

fny 4y ago

This a thousand times. The more nefarious hacks are done by state actors and professional groups. For script kiddies, it's mostly for the lulz.

the_only_law 4y ago

> I’ve met tons of script kiddies over the years and none of them were concerned about employment. They do what they do just to show that they can. Even worse: when I was a kid trying to hack around everyone had some (probably false or based on rare occurrences) where the hacker/script kiddie would get caught but employed for their skills instead of prosecuted.

radlad 4y ago
This is the story of how Jono met Dug Song and started Duo! https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/how-hackers-dug-song-and-jono-oberhide-teamed-up-to-start-duo-security.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/how-hackers-dug-song-and-jon...