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Sending telemetry data at all without real consent (ie not some ultimatum) is scary. Windows is not a daily driver OS.

grishka 4y ago
Software isn't immutable. The code that makes these requests has to physically exist somewhere. Which means you can find it and overwrite it with nop's.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  For now. Modern chips will make it harder and harder, until one day we will have almost no control over the machine we are running. For our own good, of course. Plus nobody will care appart from us. And not all of us. Not the us that are working on this techs at least.
  - grishka 4y ago
    As long as signature enforcement in BIOS can be disabled, everything is possible. And it will always be possible to disable it because otherwise someone would sue the hell out of Microsoft, OEM, or both, for not being able to run Linux or other competing OS on a PC they bought.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
      Given we have one win for a 1000 fails with big companies, and that they clearly don't pay much consequences for their bad actions but benefit a lot from it, I doubt it. Espacially if this becomes state mendated for national security reasons. Indeed, have you seen anyone been sued for the PRISM program? In fact, it's already happening: have you seen a lot of things modified in iOS lately? It's super hard, so few people even attempt now.
      - grishka 4y ago
        > have you seen a lot of things modified in iOS lately? There's an unpatchable bootrom exploit in all devices up to and including the iPhone X. But yes, I agree with your sentiment. Though one thing to keep in mind: phones and tablets are content-consumption devices and they have historically been locked down for about as long as they existed. Computers are productivity devices. You may want to multi-boot 10 different operating systems for very practical reasons and no one should prevent you from doing that. Manufacturers understand this. Even the Apple M1 is capable of booting arbitrary, unsigned OSes, despite being a direct descendant of the same line of locked-down SoCs used in iPhones and iPads.
- npteljes 4y ago
  Until it runs where you can't touch it. Like the Intel Management Engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assertions_that_ME_is_a_backdoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assert...
- layer8 4y ago
  It’s not that easy; read up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Resource_Protection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Resource_Protection .
jerrygoyal 4y ago
IRL it's a daily driver (most used desktop OS). I suspect due to affordability (w.r.t. mac), ecosystem (plethora of apps), and good UX (wrt linux).
trelane 4y ago
> Sending telemetry data at all without real consent It's in the EULA and privacy policies.

Software isn't immutable. The code that makes these requests has to physically exist somewhere. Which means you can find it and overwrite it with nop's.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
For now. Modern chips will make it harder and harder, until one day we will have almost no control over the machine we are running. For our own good, of course. Plus nobody will care appart from us. And not all of us. Not the us that are working on this techs at least.
- grishka 4y ago
  As long as signature enforcement in BIOS can be disabled, everything is possible. And it will always be possible to disable it because otherwise someone would sue the hell out of Microsoft, OEM, or both, for not being able to run Linux or other competing OS on a PC they bought.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    Given we have one win for a 1000 fails with big companies, and that they clearly don't pay much consequences for their bad actions but benefit a lot from it, I doubt it. Espacially if this becomes state mendated for national security reasons. Indeed, have you seen anyone been sued for the PRISM program? In fact, it's already happening: have you seen a lot of things modified in iOS lately? It's super hard, so few people even attempt now.
    - grishka 4y ago
      > have you seen a lot of things modified in iOS lately? There's an unpatchable bootrom exploit in all devices up to and including the iPhone X. But yes, I agree with your sentiment. Though one thing to keep in mind: phones and tablets are content-consumption devices and they have historically been locked down for about as long as they existed. Computers are productivity devices. You may want to multi-boot 10 different operating systems for very practical reasons and no one should prevent you from doing that. Manufacturers understand this. Even the Apple M1 is capable of booting arbitrary, unsigned OSes, despite being a direct descendant of the same line of locked-down SoCs used in iPhones and iPads.
npteljes 4y ago
Until it runs where you can't touch it. Like the Intel Management Engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assertions_that_ME_is_a_backdoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assert...
layer8 4y ago
It’s not that easy; read up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Resource_Protection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Resource_Protection .

jerrygoyal 4y ago

IRL it's a daily driver (most used desktop OS). I suspect due to affordability (w.r.t. mac), ecosystem (plethora of apps), and good UX (wrt linux).

trelane 4y ago

> Sending telemetry data at all without real consent It's in the EULA and privacy policies.