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Its definitely a cultural thing. The task would be extremely easy in any Indian city, but they probably don’t realize it would be near impossible in the West. S

Its definitely a cultural thing. The task would be extremely easy in any Indian city, but they probably don’t realize it would be near impossible in the West. Same with task 3, it would bankrupt Americans to pay for somebody else’s medical bills.

andi999 4y ago
Or task 3 would also be impossible in a country with universal health care.
- cube00 4y ago
  Even countries with universal health care have private hospitals, they'll take your money. One near me asks you to consider paying for their services out of your retirement funds if you don't have private health insurance.
  - GaylordTuring 4y ago
    In Sweden, where my opinion of the public health care is that it's useless (unless you're having a really acute problem), I've looked for private hospitals to get help from. No such luck! Finding a specialist to help you, no matter if you have money and are willing to pay feels close to impossible, at least for the things that I've needed help with.
  - andi999 4y ago
    So change the premise of a person who cannot afford the treatment to cannot afford it in a private hospital? Hownto find such a person? Probably the easiest of alln3 is to fly to some poor country and do the stuff there (supported by a local lawyer).
    - 9873259735609 4y ago
      There are plenty of people who cannot get care at government hospitals in countries with "universal healthcare", because of waiting lists, because the government doesn't consider the treatment they need to be worthwhile, etc. You could easily find some of those people on crowdfunding sites, and the media occasionally writes about such cases. The problem is that paying for their treatment at a private hospital would be very expensive, unless the ransomware would accept a partial crowdfunding contribution.
  - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
    Not true in Canada. Or the UK.
    - cube00 4y ago
      It exists in the UK [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_medicine_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_medicine_in_the_United...
- soneil 4y ago
  That was my first thought - the only logical way I could see for step 3 would be to pay for people's parking.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Universal healthcare doesn’t pay for everything. My friend in Canada has a boy with a rare disease and the out of pocket costs are significant.
    - threads2 4y ago
      Hey don't downvote this person! Pharmaceuticals, dental, vision are all things Canadians still have to pay for. It's a real shame.
      - GaylordTuring 4y ago
        I've never understood why dental care isn't included when you otherwise have universal healthcare. Why single out dental problems? It's about as impossible to just ignore having an infected tooth that needs to be pulled out as it is not doing anything about a broken arm.
mushbino 4y ago
I've never been bankrupted by paying for millions of senior citizens to have Medicare, but I have been bankrupted by my own health care expenses.
- hedora 4y ago
  If the goal is to pay off some random person's medical debt, things become extremely affordable: https://ripmedicaldebt.org https://ripmedicaldebt.org I think that, by law, whenever debt is sold, the person that owes the debt should have the right to buy their own debt at the sale price. The current system is full of moral hazards, and this would help level the playing field. (Sorry to hear about the bankruptcy. That really shouldn't be possible, anywhere.)
danans 4y ago
It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.
- kylehotchkiss 4y ago
  There are festivals in India where you invite neighboring children in for a meal and some pooja (worship rituals). I’d compare it to Halloween for westerners where the kids tend to come to you! Not every family is guarding their children from strangers too much
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  I encountered children begging for food and/or money in Delhi
  - danans 4y ago
    Yes, I think that's captured by "the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities". Their parents have often sent them to beg, because the need is greater than that society's willingness to fill (vs. low income school lunch programs in the US that keep us from having that scenario). The blame for that situation is squarely on India. But you don't have to go very far up the socioeconomic ladder even in India to get to a strata of the population who would not send their kids to beg in the streets. People there wish to protect and provide for their kids as much as anywhere else in the world.
    - accurrent 4y ago
      > The blame for that situation is squarely on India. This is a bit of a sweeping statement. Colonization has a big role to play here also. When the british left india the average life expectancy was barely 40. Many other former colonies struggle with poverty and the socioeconomic disaster that it brings along. India has improved since then but has a long way to go.
mdp2021 4y ago
It is completely insanity. It starts by assuming that the affected user has or could ever be available to have facesomething, instasomething and whasomething accounts, and that said user could ever be convinced to open some, and that said user could access them on a machine apart from the infected. They are completely bonkers.
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hongsy 4y ago
Why is it impossible in the West? (I don't stay in the West)

andi999 4y ago

Or task 3 would also be impossible in a country with universal health care.

cube00 4y ago
Even countries with universal health care have private hospitals, they'll take your money. One near me asks you to consider paying for their services out of your retirement funds if you don't have private health insurance.
- GaylordTuring 4y ago
  In Sweden, where my opinion of the public health care is that it's useless (unless you're having a really acute problem), I've looked for private hospitals to get help from. No such luck! Finding a specialist to help you, no matter if you have money and are willing to pay feels close to impossible, at least for the things that I've needed help with.
- andi999 4y ago
  So change the premise of a person who cannot afford the treatment to cannot afford it in a private hospital? Hownto find such a person? Probably the easiest of alln3 is to fly to some poor country and do the stuff there (supported by a local lawyer).
  - 9873259735609 4y ago
    There are plenty of people who cannot get care at government hospitals in countries with "universal healthcare", because of waiting lists, because the government doesn't consider the treatment they need to be worthwhile, etc. You could easily find some of those people on crowdfunding sites, and the media occasionally writes about such cases. The problem is that paying for their treatment at a private hospital would be very expensive, unless the ransomware would accept a partial crowdfunding contribution.
- cmrdporcupine 4y ago
  Not true in Canada. Or the UK.
  - cube00 4y ago
    It exists in the UK [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_medicine_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_medicine_in_the_United...
soneil 4y ago
That was my first thought - the only logical way I could see for step 3 would be to pay for people's parking.
- refurb 4y ago
  Universal healthcare doesn’t pay for everything. My friend in Canada has a boy with a rare disease and the out of pocket costs are significant.
  - threads2 4y ago
    Hey don't downvote this person! Pharmaceuticals, dental, vision are all things Canadians still have to pay for. It's a real shame.
    - GaylordTuring 4y ago
      I've never understood why dental care isn't included when you otherwise have universal healthcare. Why single out dental problems? It's about as impossible to just ignore having an infected tooth that needs to be pulled out as it is not doing anything about a broken arm.

mushbino 4y ago

I've never been bankrupted by paying for millions of senior citizens to have Medicare, but I have been bankrupted by my own health care expenses.

hedora 4y ago
If the goal is to pay off some random person's medical debt, things become extremely affordable: https://ripmedicaldebt.org https://ripmedicaldebt.org I think that, by law, whenever debt is sold, the person that owes the debt should have the right to buy their own debt at the sale price. The current system is full of moral hazards, and this would help level the playing field. (Sorry to hear about the bankruptcy. That really shouldn't be possible, anywhere.)

danans 4y ago

It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.

kylehotchkiss 4y ago
There are festivals in India where you invite neighboring children in for a meal and some pooja (worship rituals). I’d compare it to Halloween for westerners where the kids tend to come to you! Not every family is guarding their children from strangers too much
pcthrowaway 4y ago
I encountered children begging for food and/or money in Delhi
- danans 4y ago
  Yes, I think that's captured by "the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities". Their parents have often sent them to beg, because the need is greater than that society's willingness to fill (vs. low income school lunch programs in the US that keep us from having that scenario). The blame for that situation is squarely on India. But you don't have to go very far up the socioeconomic ladder even in India to get to a strata of the population who would not send their kids to beg in the streets. People there wish to protect and provide for their kids as much as anywhere else in the world.
  - accurrent 4y ago
    > The blame for that situation is squarely on India. This is a bit of a sweeping statement. Colonization has a big role to play here also. When the british left india the average life expectancy was barely 40. Many other former colonies struggle with poverty and the socioeconomic disaster that it brings along. India has improved since then but has a long way to go.

mdp2021 4y ago

It is completely insanity. It starts by assuming that the affected user has or could ever be available to have facesomething, instasomething and whasomething accounts, and that said user could ever be convinced to open some, and that said user could access them on a machine apart from the infected. They are completely bonkers.

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hongsy 4y ago

Why is it impossible in the West? (I don't stay in the West)