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This is unnecessary. The Reddit for podcast episodes is Reddit.

wolframhempel 4y ago
Some podcasts have reddit boards, some are mainly discussed on Twitter, some run Slack Channels, some publish on Youtube and use its live commentary in the chat - most use a mix of these. I appreciate this is a bit like the "we have 14 competing standards" XKCD, but there's a deeper, underlying problem that Podbabble tries to tackle: The majority of podcast discussion is either too general (i.e. debating the hashtag of a show as opposed to a specific episode), ephemeral (i.e. Twitter or live chat where discussion only happens within a few hours of episode release) and its almost always distributed (some on Reddit, some here, some there.) Podcasting - albeit still comparatively tiny) is the fastest growing medium and I am confident that having a central, purpose built place for listener engagement will add value to the ecosystem.
- carabiner 4y ago
  /r/redscarepod /r/JoeRogan These aren't just discussion groups for the podcasts - many of the users in these subreddits don't even listen to the podcasts. The subreddits for these podcasts have evolved as their own, independent communities. Why would they just up and leave for yours?
raspberry1337 4y ago
>The Reddit for podcast episodes is Reddit. Yes and this is the problem, reddit is reddit and the comment-quality is terribly low, often toxic and dominated by a certain ideology that is particularly dominant and vocal on reddit in particular. I think this has potential if they manage to keep the comment quality higher, somehow.
- Sakos 4y ago
  This is highly dependent on the moderators. If you have good moderators, you can have a subreddit with quality posts and comments rivaling HN. If you have bad ones, it can (and will) devolve into toxicity and ideological bubbling. I've seen both and I've seen ones in between. That said, maybe I'm just not in the loop, but I'm not aware of any subreddit dedicated to reviewing podcast episodes. Also, I'm not sure the Reddit format lends itself to creating a database of user reviews for certain episodes without heavy moderation and a heavy-handed approach to posting (for example, to avoid duplicates). A lot of this needs to be formulated into an automated system that only a custom-made site can offer.
  - bin_bash 4y ago
    I was a heavy user of Reddit since it came out until about a year ago. I left precisely because it felt like every single subreddit I was talking to children.
- irrational 4y ago
  It sounds to me like you only visit the larger toxic subreddits. There are many hobby subreddits where the tone is positive and uplifting. It’s not Reddit as a whole that is the problem, but what subreddits you are visiting. Here is a hint, any subreddit that makes it to r/popular should never be visited.
  - TameAntelope 4y ago
    There are also many hobby subreddits where the moderators are jerks and have zero clue how to manage or grow a community. There may be some "goldilocks" subreddit size, but IMO there are approaching zero Reddit communities that are "healthily" run, probably because most of the people involved (users, mods) are literal, actual children.
    - irrational 4y ago
      That hasn't been my experience. I've been pleased, for the most part, with how r/woodworking, r/boardgames, r/cooking, r/18xx, r/cooking, r/gardening, r/boardgamedeals, r/visitingiceland, etc. are run. I've run into very few toxic subreddits.
      - TameAntelope 4y ago
        You’ve probably never disagreed with a moderator, then.
bnralt 4y ago
Indeed. And I was just thinking about how sites like Reddit and Hacker News are terrible when it comes to discussing things like podcasts or building a community. An active web forum is what would be really useful. For example, the podcast subs I frequent on Reddit often have people posting the same questions over and over again. A forum would simply aggregate them into one post that gets bumped to the top when someone comments, perhaps with the first post collating all the information as time goes on. But on the Reddit style boards, the discussion disappears soon after it's posted, just when the information starts to get there. It drops off the front page forever, and a couple days later someone comes along asking the exact same thing. Every podcast discussion starts from scratch, and ends soon afterwards. If you're a day or two late to a discussion, chances are no one will even your response.
- irrational 4y ago
  > A forum would simply aggregate them into one post that gets bumped to the top when someone comments, perhaps with the first post collating all the information as time goes on. But on the Reddit style boards, the discussion disappears soon after it's posted, just when the information starts to get there. This isn’t necessarily true. It sounds to me like you only have experience with some of the larger subreddits like r/pics. If you frequent smaller hobby subreddits you will find that the moderators will do exactly what is being described here. Some are pinned on a permanent basis, others are rotated out on a weekly or daily basis. The tools to do this are already baked into Reddit, it is up to the moderators of each subreddit whether to use them or not.
  - bnralt 4y ago
    > It sounds to me like you only have experience with some of the larger subreddits like r/pics. As I said in my post, I frequent podcast subs, which are usually on the smaller side to things. Sure, you can pin posts, but only two at a time, which means they often get dropped and switched. And unless they're extremely recent (so you're pinning posts all the time), as soon as they get dropped, they disappear. Spent 30 minutes writing a post to a pin discussion that you posted minutes before moderators switched the pinned post to something else? Chances are, no one's ever going to see it. But a bigger problem is how nothing gets bumped to the top in those places. If I randomly stumble across a 5 year old discussion on IMDB and post a comment, it's going to be bumped to the top of the post list, and plenty of people will see it. If followed a link from something pinned to the top of a Reddit sub to a 10 day old discussion and make a comment, it's likely no one will see it. The only way people would even know there was a new comment is if they kept checking all of the dead conversations that have already fallen off the front page. And the upvoting/downvoting exacerbates this further. It's not just that you're limited to the most recent posts if you want someone to see what you've said, but you're often stuck replying to the most upvoted comments to that post. I'm surprised if I get a comment or upvotes on site like Reddit or Hacker News after a couple of days. On the webforums I frequent, I often get them after _years_. If this were a forum, I'd probably be making this post later tonight or later in the week. But on Hacker News, if I don't make it in the next couple hours it's likely no one would ever see my response.
onlyfortoday2 4y ago
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pvg 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html In Comments Be respectful. Anyone sharing work is making a contribution, however modest. [...] When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  Setting aside the first sentence, I think this is valuable feedback for Wolfram. Podcasters will need to meet listeners where they hang out (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc.) regardless of whether they can also be persuaded to use this additional niche social media site. Any podcaster who would use this service will have already created a multi-channel social media presence for their show, so instead of "do this instead" the sales pitch must answer "why do this as well".
  - pvg 4y ago
    You can make the argument any feedback is 'valuable' sort of like people contrive to defend entirely offtopic or incomprehensible comments as 'relevant'. But HN discussions have additional standards and not being a terse, dismissive jerk, especially about the work of others is one of the important ones.
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      Fair enough! Hopefully you found my comment kinder and more useful than the OP’s.
twobitshifter 4y ago
I disagree, craigslist unbundling has been a successful strategy for many startups, why not the same for reddit?
TameAntelope 4y ago
Do you (or anyone here) think it's possible to unbundle Reddit communities? Or is Reddit the "perfect" community engine?

Some podcasts have reddit boards, some are mainly discussed on Twitter, some run Slack Channels, some publish on Youtube and use its live commentary in the chat - most use a mix of these. I appreciate this is a bit like the "we have 14 competing standards" XKCD, but there's a deeper, underlying problem that Podbabble tries to tackle: The majority of podcast discussion is either too general (i.e. debating the hashtag of a show as opposed to a specific episode), ephemeral (i.e. Twitter or live chat where discussion only happens within a few hours of episode release) and its almost always distributed (some on Reddit, some here, some there.) Podcasting - albeit still comparatively tiny) is the fastest growing medium and I am confident that having a central, purpose built place for listener engagement will add value to the ecosystem.

carabiner 4y ago
/r/redscarepod /r/JoeRogan These aren't just discussion groups for the podcasts - many of the users in these subreddits don't even listen to the podcasts. The subreddits for these podcasts have evolved as their own, independent communities. Why would they just up and leave for yours?

raspberry1337 4y ago

>The Reddit for podcast episodes is Reddit. Yes and this is the problem, reddit is reddit and the comment-quality is terribly low, often toxic and dominated by a certain ideology that is particularly dominant and vocal on reddit in particular. I think this has potential if they manage to keep the comment quality higher, somehow.

Sakos 4y ago
This is highly dependent on the moderators. If you have good moderators, you can have a subreddit with quality posts and comments rivaling HN. If you have bad ones, it can (and will) devolve into toxicity and ideological bubbling. I've seen both and I've seen ones in between. That said, maybe I'm just not in the loop, but I'm not aware of any subreddit dedicated to reviewing podcast episodes. Also, I'm not sure the Reddit format lends itself to creating a database of user reviews for certain episodes without heavy moderation and a heavy-handed approach to posting (for example, to avoid duplicates). A lot of this needs to be formulated into an automated system that only a custom-made site can offer.
- bin_bash 4y ago
  I was a heavy user of Reddit since it came out until about a year ago. I left precisely because it felt like every single subreddit I was talking to children.
irrational 4y ago
It sounds to me like you only visit the larger toxic subreddits. There are many hobby subreddits where the tone is positive and uplifting. It’s not Reddit as a whole that is the problem, but what subreddits you are visiting. Here is a hint, any subreddit that makes it to r/popular should never be visited.
- TameAntelope 4y ago
  There are also many hobby subreddits where the moderators are jerks and have zero clue how to manage or grow a community. There may be some "goldilocks" subreddit size, but IMO there are approaching zero Reddit communities that are "healthily" run, probably because most of the people involved (users, mods) are literal, actual children.
  - irrational 4y ago
    That hasn't been my experience. I've been pleased, for the most part, with how r/woodworking, r/boardgames, r/cooking, r/18xx, r/cooking, r/gardening, r/boardgamedeals, r/visitingiceland, etc. are run. I've run into very few toxic subreddits.
    - TameAntelope 4y ago
      You’ve probably never disagreed with a moderator, then.

bnralt 4y ago

Indeed. And I was just thinking about how sites like Reddit and Hacker News are terrible when it comes to discussing things like podcasts or building a community. An active web forum is what would be really useful. For example, the podcast subs I frequent on Reddit often have people posting the same questions over and over again. A forum would simply aggregate them into one post that gets bumped to the top when someone comments, perhaps with the first post collating all the information as time goes on. But on the Reddit style boards, the discussion disappears soon after it's posted, just when the information starts to get there. It drops off the front page forever, and a couple days later someone comes along asking the exact same thing. Every podcast discussion starts from scratch, and ends soon afterwards. If you're a day or two late to a discussion, chances are no one will even your response.

irrational 4y ago
> A forum would simply aggregate them into one post that gets bumped to the top when someone comments, perhaps with the first post collating all the information as time goes on. But on the Reddit style boards, the discussion disappears soon after it's posted, just when the information starts to get there. This isn’t necessarily true. It sounds to me like you only have experience with some of the larger subreddits like r/pics. If you frequent smaller hobby subreddits you will find that the moderators will do exactly what is being described here. Some are pinned on a permanent basis, others are rotated out on a weekly or daily basis. The tools to do this are already baked into Reddit, it is up to the moderators of each subreddit whether to use them or not.
- bnralt 4y ago
  > It sounds to me like you only have experience with some of the larger subreddits like r/pics. As I said in my post, I frequent podcast subs, which are usually on the smaller side to things. Sure, you can pin posts, but only two at a time, which means they often get dropped and switched. And unless they're extremely recent (so you're pinning posts all the time), as soon as they get dropped, they disappear. Spent 30 minutes writing a post to a pin discussion that you posted minutes before moderators switched the pinned post to something else? Chances are, no one's ever going to see it. But a bigger problem is how nothing gets bumped to the top in those places. If I randomly stumble across a 5 year old discussion on IMDB and post a comment, it's going to be bumped to the top of the post list, and plenty of people will see it. If followed a link from something pinned to the top of a Reddit sub to a 10 day old discussion and make a comment, it's likely no one will see it. The only way people would even know there was a new comment is if they kept checking all of the dead conversations that have already fallen off the front page. And the upvoting/downvoting exacerbates this further. It's not just that you're limited to the most recent posts if you want someone to see what you've said, but you're often stuck replying to the most upvoted comments to that post. I'm surprised if I get a comment or upvotes on site like Reddit or Hacker News after a couple of days. On the webforums I frequent, I often get them after _years_. If this were a forum, I'd probably be making this post later tonight or later in the week. But on Hacker News, if I don't make it in the next couple hours it's likely no one would ever see my response.

onlyfortoday2 4y ago

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pvg 4y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html In Comments Be respectful. Anyone sharing work is making a contribution, however modest. [...] When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.

CharlesW 4y ago
Setting aside the first sentence, I think this is valuable feedback for Wolfram. Podcasters will need to meet listeners where they hang out (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc.) regardless of whether they can also be persuaded to use this additional niche social media site. Any podcaster who would use this service will have already created a multi-channel social media presence for their show, so instead of "do this instead" the sales pitch must answer "why do this as well".
- pvg 4y ago
  You can make the argument any feedback is 'valuable' sort of like people contrive to defend entirely offtopic or incomprehensible comments as 'relevant'. But HN discussions have additional standards and not being a terse, dismissive jerk, especially about the work of others is one of the important ones.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    Fair enough! Hopefully you found my comment kinder and more useful than the OP’s.

twobitshifter 4y ago

I disagree, craigslist unbundling has been a successful strategy for many startups, why not the same for reddit?

TameAntelope 4y ago

Do you (or anyone here) think it's possible to unbundle Reddit communities? Or is Reddit the "perfect" community engine?