Honestly, reading the thread from my perspective (as a self-taught amateur) I get some of the frustration, but also see that the tweeter was their own worst ene

Honestly, reading the thread from my perspective (as a self-taught amateur) I get some of the frustration, but also see that the tweeter was their own worst enemy. The basic basics - how to install Python, handle modules, and maybe execute scripts, would have been dealt with in the first few minutes of many beginner tutorials - and would have handled all of their initial teething frustrations. And while I get the desire to build something real (I don’t think I’ve ever completed a full tutorial as I always dive off into what I wanted to make in the first place) not even being willing to sit for an hour to learn the basics is far beyond ‘goal oriented’ - and is obviously seriously limiting and self-defeating.