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Apple has never been credited with anything in the first place, so there is nothing to discredit. Even at their very foundation, Apple stole innovations from th

by jhuni 15y ago

Apple has never been credited with anything in the first place, so there is nothing to discredit. Even at their very foundation, Apple stole innovations from the workers at Xerox PARC, and then they went on to perpetuate DRM malfeatures and intellectual property / artificial scarcity, through iTunes, the appstore, etc. For more information see this link: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 The difference that Apple has with Google is fundamental. Apple distributes artificially stupid malware and Google distributes free software and intelligent cloud services. In this context, I will take Google and Android over Apple and iOS any day.

sbuk 15y ago
"Even at their very foundation, Apple stole innovations from the workers at Xerox PARC" You betray you ignorance with that line alone. The workers at Xerox PARC stole those same ideas from people like Engelbart and Sutherland, at the very least Apple paid for them. They also employed a few PARC alumni too. For the final time Xerox did not invent the UI _or_ even WIMP, they were contributors; just like Apple and Microsoft are. As for your unbelievably asinine remark; Google distributes "free software and intelligent cloud services". I'm not one for name calling generally, but how that could be construed for anything other the blind fandroid nonsense is beyond me. You are under the mis apprehension that Google act out of altruism. They don't. The offer their services for free for the purpose of gathering data about you to sell to the highest bidder. The rest of us know that AAPL, MSFT and GOOG are not the paragons of virtue that you clearly seem to think that they are, but some of the absolute bullshit that is being present as fact (like the opinion piece that you link to) is verging on stupefying. The facts are out there. Here is a head start,http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/wiki/uploads/HCIPapers/horn-raskin-apple-recollections.html http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/wiki/uploads/HCIPapers/h..., now go and learn something about the industry you work in.
- jhuni 15y ago
  Dear sbuk, After the cold war, the military cut off most of its funding to AI research, resulting in the AI winter. Without that source of funding, we have to look for the next best source, which is big corporations. Google is one of the best examples of such a corporation because they deliver AI services to billions of users every day. Now is google a "paragon of virtue"? Hell no, nor is any institution in capitalism for that matter, however, we should still recognise _allies of virtue_ and in a way I would say that Google is one such example, not only through their support of AI but also through their support of software freedom. For example, the Android project, lead by Google is an essential part of the free software movement and really the good option on mobile devices. And well Anrdoid 3.0 isn't entirely free, Replicant largely fixes that, and Anrdoid 4.0 largely resolves any of these issues. Apple iOS, on the other hand, isn't even comparable, because it is full of DRM malfeatures. The workers at Xerox PARC stole those same ideas from people like Engelbart and Sutherland, at the very least Apple paid for them. The workers at Xerox PARC never "stole" anything, they hired lots of people from the nearby SRI organisation which first released most of the features of the GUI during the mother of all demos. just like Apple and Microsoft are. Before, Microsoft and Apple, the GUI was essentially the exclusive business of a few private individuals, and the "contribution" of Microsoft and Apple was to make it into a tool of screwing over millions of people. The thing they "contributed" to is their bank account, not technology. The offer their services for free for the purpose of gathering data about you to sell to the highest bidder. Then don't provide Google's services with data you don't want them to have. That's pretty simple. At least Google isn't selling stupid DRM ridden devices like Apple is. like the opinion piece that you link to What is your objection to that piece?

by jhuni 15y ago

sbuk 15y ago

"Even at their very foundation, Apple stole innovations from the workers at Xerox PARC" You betray you ignorance with that line alone. The workers at Xerox PARC stole those same ideas from people like Engelbart and Sutherland, at the very least Apple paid for them. They also employed a few PARC alumni too. For the final time Xerox did not invent the UI _or_ even WIMP, they were contributors; just like Apple and Microsoft are. As for your unbelievably asinine remark; Google distributes "free software and intelligent cloud services". I'm not one for name calling generally, but how that could be construed for anything other the blind fandroid nonsense is beyond me. You are under the mis apprehension that Google act out of altruism. They don't. The offer their services for free for the purpose of gathering data about you to sell to the highest bidder. The rest of us know that AAPL, MSFT and GOOG are not the paragons of virtue that you clearly seem to think that they are, but some of the absolute bullshit that is being present as fact (like the opinion piece that you link to) is verging on stupefying. The facts are out there. Here is a head start,http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/wiki/uploads/HCIPapers/horn-raskin-apple-recollections.html http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/wiki/uploads/HCIPapers/h..., now go and learn something about the industry you work in.

jhuni 15y ago
Dear sbuk, After the cold war, the military cut off most of its funding to AI research, resulting in the AI winter. Without that source of funding, we have to look for the next best source, which is big corporations. Google is one of the best examples of such a corporation because they deliver AI services to billions of users every day. Now is google a "paragon of virtue"? Hell no, nor is any institution in capitalism for that matter, however, we should still recognise _allies of virtue_ and in a way I would say that Google is one such example, not only through their support of AI but also through their support of software freedom. For example, the Android project, lead by Google is an essential part of the free software movement and really the good option on mobile devices. And well Anrdoid 3.0 isn't entirely free, Replicant largely fixes that, and Anrdoid 4.0 largely resolves any of these issues. Apple iOS, on the other hand, isn't even comparable, because it is full of DRM malfeatures. The workers at Xerox PARC stole those same ideas from people like Engelbart and Sutherland, at the very least Apple paid for them. The workers at Xerox PARC never "stole" anything, they hired lots of people from the nearby SRI organisation which first released most of the features of the GUI during the mother of all demos. just like Apple and Microsoft are. Before, Microsoft and Apple, the GUI was essentially the exclusive business of a few private individuals, and the "contribution" of Microsoft and Apple was to make it into a tool of screwing over millions of people. The thing they "contributed" to is their bank account, not technology. The offer their services for free for the purpose of gathering data about you to sell to the highest bidder. Then don't provide Google's services with data you don't want them to have. That's pretty simple. At least Google isn't selling stupid DRM ridden devices like Apple is. like the opinion piece that you link to What is your objection to that piece?