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Please stop selling me Microsoft automatic updates. I'm not buying. Doesn't mean I never update. It means I control the updates on my terms, not on those of co

Please stop selling me Microsoft automatic updates. I'm not buying. Doesn't mean I never update. It means I control the updates on my terms, not on those of commercially motivated, privacy-invading faceless tech giants with agendas far beyond the scope of network hygiene. I use a cheap smartphone. It works fine but gets no more updates. According to your position in this debate, I should abandon that unhygienic phone, and pay the protection money for a fresh plastic box of rare earth metals, for the greater good. I'm not sure why you're invested in replying to me about this topic. Most general PC users already have automatic updates on. You should be ecstatic about that. Behavior modification and reinforcement tactics used by software vendors to get people to do things, is real. Overstating the threat of security risks if people fail to update in a given time frame, is one of the tactics used to get people to install, upgrade, buy, renew, etc. I apply updates on some things without much delay, such as specific software I trust/respect. Other times I will never update, such as my e-bike where I modified the firmware for certain reasons which are my business. There are valid reasons why people delay or decline updates. It's disappointing you believe embracing automatic updates is tied to ethical use of the internet. The implication of that idea, is that update-urgency is never exploited by those pushing the updates. We're even seeing "updates for the sake of updates" coming through, as Apple will reportedly delist apps that haven't seen an update in awhile. Okay I'm done on this topic! Updates! Ugh... I turn them off and edit group policies etc to put a stop to the blatant turf-war on who gets to run the show in my house.

josephcsible 4y ago
> I use a cheap smartphone. It works fine but gets no more updates. According to your position in this debate, I should abandon that unhygienic phone, and pay the protection money for a fresh plastic box of rare earth metals, for the greater good. It's definitely not right that you have to do that, but the fact is that today, being secure means you do have to. In the ideal world, manufacturers would have to either provide security fixes for way longer, or open up their devices to the point that other people can do it for them. > It's disappointing you believe embracing automatic updates is tied to ethical use of the internet. The implication of that idea, is that update-urgency is never exploited by those pushing the updates. Do you consider it ethical for your computer to knowingly be part of a botnet? And of course Microsoft abuses automatic updates, but the solution to that isn't getting rid of automatic updates; it's getting rid of Microsoft (e.g., switching to Linux or something).

josephcsible 4y ago

> I use a cheap smartphone. It works fine but gets no more updates. According to your position in this debate, I should abandon that unhygienic phone, and pay the protection money for a fresh plastic box of rare earth metals, for the greater good. It's definitely not right that you have to do that, but the fact is that today, being secure means you do have to. In the ideal world, manufacturers would have to either provide security fixes for way longer, or open up their devices to the point that other people can do it for them. > It's disappointing you believe embracing automatic updates is tied to ethical use of the internet. The implication of that idea, is that update-urgency is never exploited by those pushing the updates. Do you consider it ethical for your computer to knowingly be part of a botnet? And of course Microsoft abuses automatic updates, but the solution to that isn't getting rid of automatic updates; it's getting rid of Microsoft (e.g., switching to Linux or something).