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> you're either selling something or you just don't know what you're talking about. There's no need to be combative. i've been programming since the 80s (mid-9

by sgbeal 4y ago

> you're either selling something or you just don't know what you're talking about. There's no need to be combative. i've been programming since the 80s (mid-90s professionally), and in _no way_ long to return to those days. It was fun while it lasted, but the dev tools, environments, and targets we have nowadays are a lot of fun in their own ways too, and many (perhaps most) of them wouldn't be possible/feasible with 16MB of memory on a 120mhz PC. i'm selling nothing but the idea (for $0) that people expect far more from software now than then, and there's no way to run a modern app in such a limited environment.

CRConrad 4y ago
I'm giving away my ideas for free, so I'm morally superior to you! ;-D Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to be more combative than that. The idea I'm giving away is that 99.9% of the stuff people expect[1] from software nowadays is just plain unnecessary. Actually detrimental, in many (most?) cases: It just complicates things. ___ [1]: Or perhaps, I suspect, that software developers nowadays just think people expect from software, so they provide it without even reflecting whether it's really necessary at all.
- sgbeal 4y ago
  > Or perhaps, I suspect, that software developers nowadays just think people expect from software, so they provide it without even reflecting whether it's really necessary at all. For the most part i blame that on the marketing folks rather than developers, but FOSS projects like this one have no marketing folks who i can push the blame off to ;).
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    The marketroids are the ones that make devs think that, yes, but whichever way they get it, the devs end up with that exaggerated impression. Affects FOSS devs too; they can't make themselves selectively deaf only to marketroid-speak. Well, I guess in part one can, but given how pervasive it is throughout the industry, not entirely.

by sgbeal 4y ago

CRConrad 4y ago

I'm giving away my ideas for free, so I'm morally superior to you! ;-D Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to be more combative than that. The idea I'm giving away is that 99.9% of the stuff people expect[1] from software nowadays is just plain unnecessary. Actually detrimental, in many (most?) cases: It just complicates things. ___ [1]: Or perhaps, I suspect, that software developers nowadays just think people expect from software, so they provide it without even reflecting whether it's really necessary at all.

sgbeal 4y ago
> Or perhaps, I suspect, that software developers nowadays just think people expect from software, so they provide it without even reflecting whether it's really necessary at all. For the most part i blame that on the marketing folks rather than developers, but FOSS projects like this one have no marketing folks who i can push the blame off to ;).
- CRConrad 4y ago
  The marketroids are the ones that make devs think that, yes, but whichever way they get it, the devs end up with that exaggerated impression. Affects FOSS devs too; they can't make themselves selectively deaf only to marketroid-speak. Well, I guess in part one can, but given how pervasive it is throughout the industry, not entirely.