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Keep in mind I was spitballing. Don't take the Librem example too seriously- I didn't know about that stuff, and it certainly changes the way I view Purism. >

Keep in mind I was spitballing. Don't take the Librem example too seriously- I didn't know about that stuff, and it certainly changes the way I view Purism. > This is why FOSS can't "win". I'm not really sure what "win" means in this context. If "winning" is what Chrome is doing right now, I don't want Firefox to "win" either. Competition is good. If your argument here is that FOSS can't produce a "better" product, Firefox is as much a counterpoint now as it was when it broke the IE hegemony. For the user, it's just as good as Chrome. It even provides some features Chrome doesn't have (for example, popping out videos and actually-good ad block). Nobody cares about how chrome is 50% (i.e. 0.8ms) faster at responding to thing X.

rollcat 4y ago
> Don't take the Librem example too seriously- I didn't know about that stuff, and it certainly changes the way I view Purism. This is the problem. You advise on something, but you barely look beneath the surface. > If "winning" is what Chrome is doing right now, I don't want Firefox to "win" either. Competition is good. Please take a good look at what Mozilla has been busy with, this past decade or so. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/01/mozilla-blinked/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/01/mozilla-blinked/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/09/this-is-a-pretty-dire-assessment-of-mozilla/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/09/this-is-a-pretty-dire-asses... https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/12/mozilla-mourns-microsoft/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/12/mozilla-mourns-microsoft/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firef... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS All this happened while Firefox struggled to modernise the rendering engine, introduce process isolation, address stability and performance issues... Yes I know Quantum eventually delivered on these - but it was too little, too late, and still isn't great. The only reason Mozilla is still alive, is because Google is throwing money at them - to avoid too much attention from regulators looking at Chrome's market share. > Nobody cares about how chrome is 50% (i.e. 0.8ms) faster at responding to thing X. I care. Just put it on any older hardware. Like my 2012 Thinkpad (3rd gen i5; OpenBSD), or my partner's 2017 MBP (infamous for its poor thermal design), running Firefox on either is a miserable experience compared to Iridium (Chromium fork) or Safari. The hardware is still pretty good for our needs. Don't get me wrong: I dislike Chrome just as much as you do. I want to like Firefox, and I do agree with Mozilla's stated goals and values. But I won't (and wouldn't advise anyone to) personally suffer over this, in fact doing so is doing Mozilla a disservice - they need to get the message, fix their act, and deliver a better product; rather than blowing cash on CEO bonuses, sealing deals to screw their users, or engaging in planet-incinerating ponzi schemes.

rollcat 4y ago

> Don't take the Librem example too seriously- I didn't know about that stuff, and it certainly changes the way I view Purism. This is the problem. You advise on something, but you barely look beneath the surface. > If "winning" is what Chrome is doing right now, I don't want Firefox to "win" either. Competition is good. Please take a good look at what Mozilla has been busy with, this past decade or so. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/01/mozilla-blinked/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/01/mozilla-blinked/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/09/this-is-a-pretty-dire-assessment-of-mozilla/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/09/this-is-a-pretty-dire-asses... https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/12/mozilla-mourns-microsoft/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/12/mozilla-mourns-microsoft/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firef... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS All this happened while Firefox struggled to modernise the rendering engine, introduce process isolation, address stability and performance issues... Yes I know Quantum eventually delivered on these - but it was too little, too late, and still isn't great. The only reason Mozilla is still alive, is because Google is throwing money at them - to avoid too much attention from regulators looking at Chrome's market share. > Nobody cares about how chrome is 50% (i.e. 0.8ms) faster at responding to thing X. I care. Just put it on any older hardware. Like my 2012 Thinkpad (3rd gen i5; OpenBSD), or my partner's 2017 MBP (infamous for its poor thermal design), running Firefox on either is a miserable experience compared to Iridium (Chromium fork) or Safari. The hardware is still pretty good for our needs. Don't get me wrong: I dislike Chrome just as much as you do. I want to like Firefox, and I do agree with Mozilla's stated goals and values. But I won't (and wouldn't advise anyone to) personally suffer over this, in fact doing so is doing Mozilla a disservice - they need to get the message, fix their act, and deliver a better product; rather than blowing cash on CEO bonuses, sealing deals to screw their users, or engaging in planet-incinerating ponzi schemes.