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Couldn't the same be said for any major area that attracts millions of visitors each year? Before covid ~30 million people were visiting Paris each year from al

Couldn't the same be said for any major area that attracts millions of visitors each year? Before covid ~30 million people were visiting Paris each year from all over the world.

christkv 4y ago
I think the concern is how packed people are during the pilgrimage making it a perfect caldron of potential infection. Like a packed concert but with millions.
onion2k 4y ago
I would guess that the combination of migratory birds and temporary visitors is what's important. Paris doesn't have much in the way of migratory birds.
MengerSponge 4y ago
The temporal distribution matters. Hajj is 2-3 million people over something like 5 days. The next largest global event I can imagine is the World Cup, which is estimated to be 1.5 million people distributed across several venues later this year.
- CommanderData 4y ago
  World Cup has copious amount of hookup culture (just look through Tinder when the season plays in your city), Grindr and general clubbing in these areas. I've been a visitor during a World Cup and its not just the football people go for. There's even a term for it: World Cup fever, not just isolated to world cups, many other sporting events have the same problem of being super spreading events for STIs https://sexualhealthbucks.nhs.uk/latest/world-cup-fever/ https://sexualhealthbucks.nhs.uk/latest/world-cup-fever/ I'd also say prolonged contact and mingling is worse then a short one like above, plenty of time to pub and club crawl, sleep with multiple partners, allowing disease to expell after its normal 5-6day incubation period.
pvg 4y ago
No because the Hajj is time-specific. It also brings together many people who might not otherwise travel.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  Chinese New Year celebrations and US Thanksgiving holidays are similar potentially large superspreading events, though they're decentralised. Airports themselves may serve as hubs. College Spring Break, with congregations in Florida, Las Vegas, and Mexican resorts are also as concern. Florida spring-breakers featured early in the US Covid outbreak. US spring-break revelers vacationing in Mexico were an early phase of the 2009 swine flu outbreak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_Mex...
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Couldn't the same be said for any major area that attracts millions of visitors each year? Before covid ~30 million people were visiting Paris each year from all over the world.

christkv 4y ago

I think the concern is how packed people are during the pilgrimage making it a perfect caldron of potential infection. Like a packed concert but with millions.

onion2k 4y ago

I would guess that the combination of migratory birds and temporary visitors is what's important. Paris doesn't have much in the way of migratory birds.

MengerSponge 4y ago

The temporal distribution matters. Hajj is 2-3 million people over something like 5 days. The next largest global event I can imagine is the World Cup, which is estimated to be 1.5 million people distributed across several venues later this year.

CommanderData 4y ago
World Cup has copious amount of hookup culture (just look through Tinder when the season plays in your city), Grindr and general clubbing in these areas. I've been a visitor during a World Cup and its not just the football people go for. There's even a term for it: World Cup fever, not just isolated to world cups, many other sporting events have the same problem of being super spreading events for STIs https://sexualhealthbucks.nhs.uk/latest/world-cup-fever/ https://sexualhealthbucks.nhs.uk/latest/world-cup-fever/ I'd also say prolonged contact and mingling is worse then a short one like above, plenty of time to pub and club crawl, sleep with multiple partners, allowing disease to expell after its normal 5-6day incubation period.

pvg 4y ago

No because the Hajj is time-specific. It also brings together many people who might not otherwise travel.

dredmorbius 4y ago
Chinese New Year celebrations and US Thanksgiving holidays are similar potentially large superspreading events, though they're decentralised. Airports themselves may serve as hubs. College Spring Break, with congregations in Florida, Las Vegas, and Mexican resorts are also as concern. Florida spring-breakers featured early in the US Covid outbreak. US spring-break revelers vacationing in Mexico were an early phase of the 2009 swine flu outbreak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_Mex...

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