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>millions could die before vaccines rolled out Millions died from covid before vaccines rolled out

kurupt213 4y ago
But not millions of children and healthy young adults. Those are very different outcomes from a public health standpoint
- mschuster91 4y ago
  On the other hand, long-covid is estimated to be at ~7% of all infections, with 5.8% of infected being out of work for longer than 4 weeks [1]. That is a pretty massive amount, given how many people have been infected with covid in total. I personally know two people who have been impacted to the point they can't work even half a year post infection - this virus is nothing to sneeze at. [1] https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/NCOV2019/FAQ_Liste_Gesundheitliche_Langzeitfolgen.html https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/NCOV2019/FAQ_Liste_Gesundh...
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    I’m not trying to imply COVID (literally SARS2) isn’t serious. I’m saying it could have been worse. The hardest hit demographic in Toronto during the Spanish flu was men in their 20s. People died the same day they became symptomatic. That would completely overwhelm our health infrastructure. We don’t have the infrastructure for a pandemic that causes respiratory arrest within hours of symptom onset (the dreaded rapid onset of influenza). Covid gave people days to prepare…and still caught some by surprise.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  Exactly. Deaths and years unlived aren't necessarily correlated.
- corrral 4y ago
  For the people who thought what we did this time was "lockdowns" or "shutdowns" and that many folks' reactions were "hysterical", the day when we have a pandemic that hits young kids half as hard as Covid hit the elderly is gonna be quite a surprise to them.
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    We probably would have went to war with China if our children were dying
- charles_kaw 4y ago
  >millions of children and healthy young adults i didnt realize they were considered to be more of a person than my parents :) that's cool
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying the impact on society is more severe. When children and young adults die, you lose the ability to sustain your population in the next generation. The worst case outcome is societal collapse. You basically can’t fill your infrastructure with new bodies as the old generation finds itself on the wrong side of goodbye. Losing your parents would be tragic, but not particularly troubling to the State. The same logic is behind only drafting men unless your situation is really desperate. Your new citizens come from young fertile women.
    - charles_kaw 4y ago
      That's absolutely what you're saying. And then you just went ahead and clarified it. :)

But not millions of children and healthy young adults. Those are very different outcomes from a public health standpoint

mschuster91 4y ago
On the other hand, long-covid is estimated to be at ~7% of all infections, with 5.8% of infected being out of work for longer than 4 weeks [1]. That is a pretty massive amount, given how many people have been infected with covid in total. I personally know two people who have been impacted to the point they can't work even half a year post infection - this virus is nothing to sneeze at. [1] https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/NCOV2019/FAQ_Liste_Gesundheitliche_Langzeitfolgen.html https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/NCOV2019/FAQ_Liste_Gesundh...
- kurupt213 4y ago
  I’m not trying to imply COVID (literally SARS2) isn’t serious. I’m saying it could have been worse. The hardest hit demographic in Toronto during the Spanish flu was men in their 20s. People died the same day they became symptomatic. That would completely overwhelm our health infrastructure. We don’t have the infrastructure for a pandemic that causes respiratory arrest within hours of symptom onset (the dreaded rapid onset of influenza). Covid gave people days to prepare…and still caught some by surprise.
dehrmann 4y ago
Exactly. Deaths and years unlived aren't necessarily correlated.
corrral 4y ago
For the people who thought what we did this time was "lockdowns" or "shutdowns" and that many folks' reactions were "hysterical", the day when we have a pandemic that hits young kids half as hard as Covid hit the elderly is gonna be quite a surprise to them.
- kurupt213 4y ago
  We probably would have went to war with China if our children were dying
charles_kaw 4y ago
>millions of children and healthy young adults i didnt realize they were considered to be more of a person than my parents :) that's cool
- kurupt213 4y ago
  That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying the impact on society is more severe. When children and young adults die, you lose the ability to sustain your population in the next generation. The worst case outcome is societal collapse. You basically can’t fill your infrastructure with new bodies as the old generation finds itself on the wrong side of goodbye. Losing your parents would be tragic, but not particularly troubling to the State. The same logic is behind only drafting men unless your situation is really desperate. Your new citizens come from young fertile women.
  - charles_kaw 4y ago
    That's absolutely what you're saying. And then you just went ahead and clarified it. :)