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This is most certainly targeted towards AWS being used by ICE. And not just in a generic way of them hosting ICE servers, but with ICE using Amazon Rekognition

by joecot 4y ago

This is most certainly targeted towards AWS being used by ICE. And not just in a generic way of them hosting ICE servers, but with ICE using Amazon Rekognition to identify undocumented immigrants (and allegedly AWS had meetings with ICE to convince them to use the service). The human rights violations come up when you talk about kids being separated from their families and then straight up lost, and the various other immoral things ICE does. This isn't something Amazon isn't aware of, I went to the AWS Summit in NYC a few years ago and every few minutes the Keynote got interrupted by another protester yelling "Cut ties with ICE" and getting dragged out of the room. I don't think I was the only one quickly googling on their phones to figure out what they were talking about. I couldn't move my previous company off of AWS, but I moved all my personal servers and I steered my new company away from them.

user3939382 4y ago
ICE is the problem, all the heinous shit US defense and intelligence does, whom Amazon is also in bed with, a-ok
- joecot 4y ago
  I agree. And I would argue that the CIA should also get the boot. Probably about half of AWS's GovCloud should. But all the other heinous stuff that the US government agencies do abroad someone (that's not me) could argue is in the furtherance of national security. ICE is absolutely, clearly, not. There is no justifiable defense of the things ICE does, which is why it's the one most targeted.
  - ciabattabread 4y ago
    Does this strategy of shaming the corporation who wants a nice big government contract instead of, you know, petitioning your federally elected representatives, actually work?
    - joecot 4y ago
      I just double-checked with my peers and it turns out it's possible to protest two different things at once, and that petitioning at multiple sources of the problem is often more effective at getting things done.
      - sleepymoose 4y ago
        >petitioning at multiple sources of the problem is often more effective at getting things done Could you provide any sources for this? As it stands, I've seen zero tangible results regarding Amazon's ongoing unchecked growth, the prevailing lack of workplace standards in their warehouses or for delivery drivers, monopolistic practices, or any general "ethical" standing of the company. Same goes for the US Government. Sure, you can vote for who you want and try to elect change, call your congress reps, and protest at the chambers, but it doesn't matter when they nothing gets done at the top level. Until there is an honest discussion had about immigration reform without a partisan spin put on everything, we won't get anywhere with ICE.
        uoaei 4y ago
        Sources? For what amounts to "approaching this problem two ways is better than approaching it in one way"?
        joecot 4y ago
        Asking for sources and explanations of completely obvious things is a great way to exhaust people on the internet. Which I assume was the point given the "both sides"iness of the response.
        uoaei 4y ago
        Indeed. I think the term "FUD" has fallen a bit by the wayside but I'd call that comment exemplary.
        mrep 4y ago
- mikkergp 4y ago
  > all the heinous shit US defense and intelligence does, whom Amazon is also in bed with, a-ok I seriously doubt people think this.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  ICE is unpopular because they the lower the voting power of blue states via removing illegal immigrants and thus lowering their census numbers, so the US media that is almost entirely Democratic[0] isn't a fan. The FBI[1][2] and CIA[3] aren't targeted because they carry water for the democrats. It has nothing to do with human rights, just politics. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/ju... [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-email-comey.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/politics/hillary-clint... [2]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/13/raid-veritas-okeefe-biden-press-521307 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/13/raid-veritas-okeefe... [3]https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/ https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to...
  - joecot 4y ago
    This might surprise you, but some of us care about other human beings whether or not they're citizens of the United States. My issues with ICE have nothing to do with census numbers and everything to do with them separating children from their families and literally losing them, then destroying the records of them doing so. Canada is just now digging up the bodies of indigenous children who died at re-education camps, and it'll be decades before we get an actual death toll of ICE's actions.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      I'm not speaking for you personally but instead the body politic as it were. I'm putting forward my theory as to why you see plenty of negative stories in the press about ICE but not the CIA. The media manufactures consent to steal a phrase in one case but not the other.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  What's your point? Do they need to complain about every single problem that exists simultaneously to be allowed to complain about anything?
cato_the_elder 4y ago
> undocumented immigrants "Undocumented" is mostly just a euphemism for illegal. Amazon does a significant amount of shady things, selling servers to ICE isn't one of them. Open borders are neither feasible nor popular.
- mike00632 4y ago
  It's the other way around. "Illegal" is the inaccurate slur to refer to an undocumented person. Nobody can be illegal.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Their presence as an immigrant in the country definitely can be though! Hence 'Illegal Immigrant'.
  - floxy 4y ago
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365
  - scarface74 4y ago
    If someone breaks the law, aren’t they doing something illegal?
    - mike00632 4y ago
      You wouldn't call someone "an illegal" because they sped on their way to work.

by joecot 4y ago

user3939382 4y ago

ICE is the problem, all the heinous shit US defense and intelligence does, whom Amazon is also in bed with, a-ok

joecot 4y ago
I agree. And I would argue that the CIA should also get the boot. Probably about half of AWS's GovCloud should. But all the other heinous stuff that the US government agencies do abroad someone (that's not me) could argue is in the furtherance of national security. ICE is absolutely, clearly, not. There is no justifiable defense of the things ICE does, which is why it's the one most targeted.
- ciabattabread 4y ago
  Does this strategy of shaming the corporation who wants a nice big government contract instead of, you know, petitioning your federally elected representatives, actually work?
  - joecot 4y ago
    I just double-checked with my peers and it turns out it's possible to protest two different things at once, and that petitioning at multiple sources of the problem is often more effective at getting things done.
    - sleepymoose 4y ago
      >petitioning at multiple sources of the problem is often more effective at getting things done Could you provide any sources for this? As it stands, I've seen zero tangible results regarding Amazon's ongoing unchecked growth, the prevailing lack of workplace standards in their warehouses or for delivery drivers, monopolistic practices, or any general "ethical" standing of the company. Same goes for the US Government. Sure, you can vote for who you want and try to elect change, call your congress reps, and protest at the chambers, but it doesn't matter when they nothing gets done at the top level. Until there is an honest discussion had about immigration reform without a partisan spin put on everything, we won't get anywhere with ICE.
      - uoaei 4y ago
        Sources? For what amounts to "approaching this problem two ways is better than approaching it in one way"?
        joecot 4y ago
        Asking for sources and explanations of completely obvious things is a great way to exhaust people on the internet. Which I assume was the point given the "both sides"iness of the response.
        uoaei 4y ago
        Indeed. I think the term "FUD" has fallen a bit by the wayside but I'd call that comment exemplary.
      - mrep 4y ago
mikkergp 4y ago
> all the heinous shit US defense and intelligence does, whom Amazon is also in bed with, a-ok I seriously doubt people think this.
willcipriano 4y ago
ICE is unpopular because they the lower the voting power of blue states via removing illegal immigrants and thus lowering their census numbers, so the US media that is almost entirely Democratic[0] isn't a fan. The FBI[1][2] and CIA[3] aren't targeted because they carry water for the democrats. It has nothing to do with human rights, just politics. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/ju... [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-email-comey.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/politics/hillary-clint... [2]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/13/raid-veritas-okeefe-biden-press-521307 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/13/raid-veritas-okeefe... [3]https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/ https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to...
- joecot 4y ago
  This might surprise you, but some of us care about other human beings whether or not they're citizens of the United States. My issues with ICE have nothing to do with census numbers and everything to do with them separating children from their families and literally losing them, then destroying the records of them doing so. Canada is just now digging up the bodies of indigenous children who died at re-education camps, and it'll be decades before we get an actual death toll of ICE's actions.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    I'm not speaking for you personally but instead the body politic as it were. I'm putting forward my theory as to why you see plenty of negative stories in the press about ICE but not the CIA. The media manufactures consent to steal a phrase in one case but not the other.
TheCoelacanth 4y ago
What's your point? Do they need to complain about every single problem that exists simultaneously to be allowed to complain about anything?

cato_the_elder 4y ago

> undocumented immigrants "Undocumented" is mostly just a euphemism for illegal. Amazon does a significant amount of shady things, selling servers to ICE isn't one of them. Open borders are neither feasible nor popular.

mike00632 4y ago
It's the other way around. "Illegal" is the inaccurate slur to refer to an undocumented person. Nobody can be illegal.
- lazide 4y ago
  Their presence as an immigrant in the country definitely can be though! Hence 'Illegal Immigrant'.
- floxy 4y ago
  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365
- scarface74 4y ago
  If someone breaks the law, aren’t they doing something illegal?
  - mike00632 4y ago
    You wouldn't call someone "an illegal" because they sped on their way to work.