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Yeah .NET never shows up high on the wish list, but surely it's because .NET has been historically tied to Windows. I'm wondering if it still is in fact tied t

by uticus 4y ago

Yeah .NET never shows up high on the wish list, but surely it's because .NET has been historically tied to Windows. I'm wondering if it still is in fact tied to Windows - because even though developers can use .NET without Windows, they are not for whatever reason. Don't know if this is true or not, but it is what I'm asking here.

torginus 4y ago
I develop cloud stuff in .NET that runs in a Docker container, and I'm using Windows - it's not that anything ties me to the platform, but having tried Linux and Mac, on all environments I'd be running minikube with a VM. It's just that Windows isn't worse at this kind of stuff that other OSes are. I've developed on all 3 major OSes, and all of them have some kind of drawback (though I have to admit, since M1, Apple hardware is miles ahead of the competition).
aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
"Is it still tied to Windows/what kind of edge-pain can I expect on my Fedora machine?" "Microsoft people said EEE, using Microsoft- led projects is nonstarter." "Are you going to pay me the time to relearn x,y,z in dotnetland?"
WorldMaker 4y ago
I think a lot of the reason .NET isn't yet used that broadly beyond Windows is as much leftover distrust/paranoia at Microsoft than anything technical. I tried to get involved in Mono-based Open Source back in the day and it left a lot of lasting sourness at the "Linux community" and how distrustful/paranoid it could be. Despite Mono being open source. Despite however many open patent agreements Microsoft signed. There was so much ugliness and so many people I encountered had a lot of passion for "Never .NET". I hope that changes for the community. .NET doesn't get any more Open Source today. There's no longer a .NET/Mono split, they've merged. The open patent agreements with the .NET Foundation and other stewardship orgs are about as rock solid as they can possibly get. I cynically saw so much "Never .NET" hate in that community that I can't imagine it won't linger for long past its expiration date.

by uticus 4y ago

torginus 4y ago

I develop cloud stuff in .NET that runs in a Docker container, and I'm using Windows - it's not that anything ties me to the platform, but having tried Linux and Mac, on all environments I'd be running minikube with a VM. It's just that Windows isn't worse at this kind of stuff that other OSes are. I've developed on all 3 major OSes, and all of them have some kind of drawback (though I have to admit, since M1, Apple hardware is miles ahead of the competition).

aaaaaaaaata 4y ago

"Is it still tied to Windows/what kind of edge-pain can I expect on my Fedora machine?" "Microsoft people said EEE, using Microsoft- led projects is nonstarter." "Are you going to pay me the time to relearn x,y,z in dotnetland?"

WorldMaker 4y ago

I think a lot of the reason .NET isn't yet used that broadly beyond Windows is as much leftover distrust/paranoia at Microsoft than anything technical. I tried to get involved in Mono-based Open Source back in the day and it left a lot of lasting sourness at the "Linux community" and how distrustful/paranoid it could be. Despite Mono being open source. Despite however many open patent agreements Microsoft signed. There was so much ugliness and so many people I encountered had a lot of passion for "Never .NET". I hope that changes for the community. .NET doesn't get any more Open Source today. There's no longer a .NET/Mono split, they've merged. The open patent agreements with the .NET Foundation and other stewardship orgs are about as rock solid as they can possibly get. I cynically saw so much "Never .NET" hate in that community that I can't imagine it won't linger for long past its expiration date.