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And the battery packs degrade super fast. That car has a ton of issues.

sokoloff 4y ago
It does have the worst battery degradation of all the EVs. Even with that, I’m very happy with mine (bought new in Dec 2014), but we have an ICE CR-V that we can use for any longer drives, making the LEAF excellent and our preference for around town driving.
- post_break 4y ago
  That sounds like a great endorsement. The leaf EV, so good you'll need a second car.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    We have two adult drivers and two cars. That’s fairly typical, I think.
  - laputan_machine 4y ago
    For long drives of course you'll need an ICE car or be prepared to wait for charging. Come on. That's the norm for any EV right now.
    - post_break 4y ago
      Long drives can be completed with electric cars now that they can charge much more quickly, something the Leaf cannot do.
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        It’s true: a short range electric is the wrong tool for the job of taking a long drive.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      Define "long". In my experience, every ~2 hours of driving at 75 mph requires ~15 minutes of charging, so an 8 hour drive is 1 hour of charging, and if you plan your charging stop(s) around meal time(s), then it adds almost no time at all. I drive from Portland, OR to Eugene, OR (About 110 miles) on a regular basis. I can make the round-trip without charging (barely), but I charge while I eat a quick dinner for the peace of mind. I've driven to Seattle and back twice. I eat lunch while charging in Lacey, WA. It's true that you'll want to plan your stops ahead of time during a road trip to minimize time spend only charging, whereas you can easily wing it in an ICE, but it's not too bad. You can use apps like A Better Route Planner to simplify it.
WorldMaker 4y ago
There is a switchover point in Leaf model years where they went to more active battery cooling and cars after that point are seeing a lot less degradation as we would all expect. It's relatively recent (like 2020 or 2021 model year) so it will take a while for the highly degraded Leafs to stop being a complaint of the used market. That said, even the most highly degraded Leafs have gone to the used market for resale as cars. They are still plenty useful even with degraded ranges. Nissan expected more of the batteries to need recycling and/or move to secondary uses by now and so far the majority of batteries are still in primary use and the cars are defying that expectation and remaining cars actively on the road.

It does have the worst battery degradation of all the EVs. Even with that, I’m very happy with mine (bought new in Dec 2014), but we have an ICE CR-V that we can use for any longer drives, making the LEAF excellent and our preference for around town driving.

post_break 4y ago
That sounds like a great endorsement. The leaf EV, so good you'll need a second car.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  We have two adult drivers and two cars. That’s fairly typical, I think.
- laputan_machine 4y ago
  For long drives of course you'll need an ICE car or be prepared to wait for charging. Come on. That's the norm for any EV right now.
  - post_break 4y ago
    Long drives can be completed with electric cars now that they can charge much more quickly, something the Leaf cannot do.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      It’s true: a short range electric is the wrong tool for the job of taking a long drive.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    Define "long". In my experience, every ~2 hours of driving at 75 mph requires ~15 minutes of charging, so an 8 hour drive is 1 hour of charging, and if you plan your charging stop(s) around meal time(s), then it adds almost no time at all. I drive from Portland, OR to Eugene, OR (About 110 miles) on a regular basis. I can make the round-trip without charging (barely), but I charge while I eat a quick dinner for the peace of mind. I've driven to Seattle and back twice. I eat lunch while charging in Lacey, WA. It's true that you'll want to plan your stops ahead of time during a road trip to minimize time spend only charging, whereas you can easily wing it in an ICE, but it's not too bad. You can use apps like A Better Route Planner to simplify it.

WorldMaker 4y ago

There is a switchover point in Leaf model years where they went to more active battery cooling and cars after that point are seeing a lot less degradation as we would all expect. It's relatively recent (like 2020 or 2021 model year) so it will take a while for the highly degraded Leafs to stop being a complaint of the used market. That said, even the most highly degraded Leafs have gone to the used market for resale as cars. They are still plenty useful even with degraded ranges. Nissan expected more of the batteries to need recycling and/or move to secondary uses by now and so far the majority of batteries are still in primary use and the cars are defying that expectation and remaining cars actively on the road.