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I'm non-techie. I am probably like 80% of the population when I say : even the low code stuff is difficult. The real issue is feeling like you need a map.In oth

I'm non-techie. I am probably like 80% of the population when I say : even the low code stuff is difficult. The real issue is feeling like you need a map.In other words, this functionality goes here, that functionality goes there etc. It seems necessary to have some sort of compiler that lets you know the order of things. But no one ever discusses this when they talk about coding or building.So the mysteries are why some of these things don't reach the traction that they probably should. Solve the mysteries for people. Don't keep so many secrets because you think it will make us want to hire you or whatever. I have a ton of projects sitting on my laptop that I should probably be hiring someone to build...but I won't because every time I have a conversation with someone techie....it makes steam come out of my ears and raises my blood pressure 100 points. People did the same thing in the 80s with their vcr clocks....they'd rather just watch them blink than get someone to fix it. Yes coding is a different language than most people are used to speaking, but it isn't as difficult as some like to make it look. And the average person would rather do something else (rather than sit and type all day). In the end, I'll probably use Budibase because it's FOSS and it seems more like the needed framework than the others. But the hate shouldn't surprise you...devs have been told for years that they were the Kings of the castle....and power concedes nothing. Anything that is perceived to reduce their power will be bashed.

v-erne 4y ago
>> Yes coding is a different language than most people are used to speaking, but it isn't as difficult as some like to make it look. I'm afraid that You are mistaken - literally no one tries to make the coding (or rather software development because coding is only one step of it) more difficult than it is. The thing that You missing is that the language of coding is like no other because the receiver of ot is different. There is no human on the other side (lets ignore collaborative nature of bigger projects for the sake of simplicity). The computer will only do EXACTLY what You ask him to do. Nothing more and nothing less. And this is key to understanding where most of the complexitu comes from - most of us do not have to ability to speak precisly and completly. We are mostly able to bubble about the things that are somehow similar to things that we think we need.
- Irongirl1 4y ago
  "because every time I have a conversation with someone techie it causes steam to leave my ears and raises my blood pressure 100 points."
  - v-erne 4y ago
    This is not an argument, just description of your immaturity (defined as a lack of control of emotions). You are not going to get far if you are not willing to try to understand the other side and adapt. I am able to talk with all kind of people and believe that at least trying to get into shoes of other person is the key to beneficial cooperation. Without it we are risking conflict escalation. And don't get me wrong - I completely understand where Your frustration is coming from (I had my fair share of introvert programmers to deal with) but I always try to not get overly emotional, and with a little bit of self control this can be done. Just don't expect that the other side will read You mind if You are not willing to read their.
    - Irongirl1 4y ago
      Yes, I really enjoy being insulted by perfect strangers on the interwebs. It definitely motivates me to continue conversations. /s Please don't ever respond to anything I write again. I just can't handle it./s
      - v-erne 4y ago
        >> It definitely motivates me to continue conversations So get a thicker skin? >> Yes, I really enjoy being insulted by perfect strangers on the interwebs. Ok, your loss. I will give You a little secret about communication with people in IT (or rather STEM in general). The things that we are saying more often than not are not intended as an insult but only as an opinion, statement or diagnosis. Don't mistake directness for rudeness.
        Irongirl1 4y ago
        Yep, I'm probably going to take advice from you. And truly I care more about the curation aspects of HN than I do about having conversations with tech people. I remain convinced that for the most part it is a colossal waste of time. Very little listening happens.....

v-erne 4y ago

>> Yes coding is a different language than most people are used to speaking, but it isn't as difficult as some like to make it look. I'm afraid that You are mistaken - literally no one tries to make the coding (or rather software development because coding is only one step of it) more difficult than it is. The thing that You missing is that the language of coding is like no other because the receiver of ot is different. There is no human on the other side (lets ignore collaborative nature of bigger projects for the sake of simplicity). The computer will only do EXACTLY what You ask him to do. Nothing more and nothing less. And this is key to understanding where most of the complexitu comes from - most of us do not have to ability to speak precisly and completly. We are mostly able to bubble about the things that are somehow similar to things that we think we need.

Irongirl1 4y ago
"because every time I have a conversation with someone techie it causes steam to leave my ears and raises my blood pressure 100 points."
- v-erne 4y ago
  This is not an argument, just description of your immaturity (defined as a lack of control of emotions). You are not going to get far if you are not willing to try to understand the other side and adapt. I am able to talk with all kind of people and believe that at least trying to get into shoes of other person is the key to beneficial cooperation. Without it we are risking conflict escalation. And don't get me wrong - I completely understand where Your frustration is coming from (I had my fair share of introvert programmers to deal with) but I always try to not get overly emotional, and with a little bit of self control this can be done. Just don't expect that the other side will read You mind if You are not willing to read their.
  - Irongirl1 4y ago
    Yes, I really enjoy being insulted by perfect strangers on the interwebs. It definitely motivates me to continue conversations. /s Please don't ever respond to anything I write again. I just can't handle it./s
    - v-erne 4y ago
      >> It definitely motivates me to continue conversations So get a thicker skin? >> Yes, I really enjoy being insulted by perfect strangers on the interwebs. Ok, your loss. I will give You a little secret about communication with people in IT (or rather STEM in general). The things that we are saying more often than not are not intended as an insult but only as an opinion, statement or diagnosis. Don't mistake directness for rudeness.
      - Irongirl1 4y ago
        Yep, I'm probably going to take advice from you. And truly I care more about the curation aspects of HN than I do about having conversations with tech people. I remain convinced that for the most part it is a colossal waste of time. Very little listening happens.....