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>> That's an interesting point though. In Poland, you can own certain guns, right? A Polish friend of mine told me he owned various guns, including semi auto pi

by v-erne 4y ago

>> That's an interesting point though. In Poland, you can own certain guns, right? A Polish friend of mine told me he owned various guns, including semi auto pistols.I know you can own these in other central European countries too, like the Czech Republic, Switzerland and probably others. You are heavily underestimating how comparatively hard is to get any kind of gun here. Literally no one in my family and not one of my close friends and event my neighbors in my apartment block have access to ANY kind of gun. Sure there is possibility if You have lots of time and money and if you are relatively stable person to get a gun (I used to know a guy who was a member of shooting club and thus was able to buy himself a gun), but this process has so many hoops that it is actively discouraging from obtaining one just because you fancy one (as an impulse buy). And thus I believe that it makes it a lot harder for unstable people to get hands on them when they got the impuls to do some damage (I believe that planning and persistence required to get gun here is antithesis to what makes those people go on killing spree). >> So when you say "they do not find a way to get the guns", you're suggesting that the potential mass murderers are out there, looking for a way, but failing to get the guns. But clearly they should be succeeding occasionally, the legal way. And yet we don't see it. Why not?] I think that's because they are a lot persistent that You believe them to be. Emotions and planning do not go together well. And there is also social element here - You have to be in a sport club and be vouched by others to get to the guns. This two things put together seems to eliminate almost all individuals that would otherwise blow out tunneling their anger through guns.

injb 4y ago
Thanks for the response. I'm from a European country that is even more restrictive than Poland and I used to shoot there before I moved to the US, so I have some idea of what it's probably like. I might be conflating a broad range of US mass shootings - for instance I'm thinking of the Las Vegas shooter, who planned meticulously for a very long time. Now, granted he could not have amassed a dozen AR-15s in any other country in any amount of time, but I believe he could have done something. Could a guy like that get a gun in Poland? I don't think it's out of the question. I know the Columbine shooters probably could not have. But then, they made home made bombs too, which they could probably have done anywhere. We just don't see evidence of this kind of motivation showing up in other countries.
notch656a 4y ago
>You are heavily underestimating how comparatively hard is to get any kind of gun here >Sure there is possibility if You have lots of time and money You seem to be unaware of Polish gun laws. Black powder traditional firearms are virtually unregulated in Poland. A replica black powder revolver is a fully competent self defense revolver. Watch paul harrell or a number of videos about these weapons and you'll understand a Polish person can get a damn good lethal revolver with basically no barriers. It's my understanding you may even be able to conceal carry them completely legally as well, without any license whatsoever.
- v-erne 4y ago
  As far as I know this kind of weapon is not freely available in shops and even if they have it for sale You need to have speciall european gun card. And this kind of guns requires skills to use - I do not believe that mass shooting is even possible with it. As I said the main barrier is that there is no possibility to impulse buy. There is also culture apect (here in Poland guns are not popular and almost no one knows how to use them).
  - notch656a 4y ago
    >As far as I know this kind of weapon is not freely available in shops and even if they have it for sale You need to have speciall european gun card. You do not need the european gun card to buy these in Poland. You can have shipped (like from https://saguaro-arms.com/ https://saguaro-arms.com/) or just from a private transaction. You do not need the gun card to buy the powder in a private (or "gifted") transaction either. >And this kind of guns requires skills to use A percussion black powder revolver takes a little more skill than a cartridge one, but not much. It's also quite deadly. >I do not believe that mass shooting is even possible with it Yes if you ignore the entire 18th and most of the 19th century, during which masses of people were killed with these weapons. >As I said the main barrier is that there is no possibility to impulse buy. Private sale is unregulated [0]. Conceal carry appears to be legal without permit [0]. Just as here in US I can get a pistol legally in 5 minutes with no checks or registration or permit, same can be done for a black powder revolver in Poland. Watch Paul Harrell explain these firearms, they're no joke and I recommend every Polish resident consider one for self defense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCYaiRmcYVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCYaiRmcYVI [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Poland#:~:text=Unlicensed%20black%20powder%20firearms%20can,supervision%20of%20a%20licensed%20person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Poland#:~:text=Unl....

by v-erne 4y ago

injb 4y ago

Thanks for the response. I'm from a European country that is even more restrictive than Poland and I used to shoot there before I moved to the US, so I have some idea of what it's probably like. I might be conflating a broad range of US mass shootings - for instance I'm thinking of the Las Vegas shooter, who planned meticulously for a very long time. Now, granted he could not have amassed a dozen AR-15s in any other country in any amount of time, but I believe he could have done something. Could a guy like that get a gun in Poland? I don't think it's out of the question. I know the Columbine shooters probably could not have. But then, they made home made bombs too, which they could probably have done anywhere. We just don't see evidence of this kind of motivation showing up in other countries.

notch656a 4y ago

>You are heavily underestimating how comparatively hard is to get any kind of gun here >Sure there is possibility if You have lots of time and money You seem to be unaware of Polish gun laws. Black powder traditional firearms are virtually unregulated in Poland. A replica black powder revolver is a fully competent self defense revolver. Watch paul harrell or a number of videos about these weapons and you'll understand a Polish person can get a damn good lethal revolver with basically no barriers. It's my understanding you may even be able to conceal carry them completely legally as well, without any license whatsoever.

v-erne 4y ago
As far as I know this kind of weapon is not freely available in shops and even if they have it for sale You need to have speciall european gun card. And this kind of guns requires skills to use - I do not believe that mass shooting is even possible with it. As I said the main barrier is that there is no possibility to impulse buy. There is also culture apect (here in Poland guns are not popular and almost no one knows how to use them).
- notch656a 4y ago
  >As far as I know this kind of weapon is not freely available in shops and even if they have it for sale You need to have speciall european gun card. You do not need the european gun card to buy these in Poland. You can have shipped (like from https://saguaro-arms.com/ https://saguaro-arms.com/) or just from a private transaction. You do not need the gun card to buy the powder in a private (or "gifted") transaction either. >And this kind of guns requires skills to use A percussion black powder revolver takes a little more skill than a cartridge one, but not much. It's also quite deadly. >I do not believe that mass shooting is even possible with it Yes if you ignore the entire 18th and most of the 19th century, during which masses of people were killed with these weapons. >As I said the main barrier is that there is no possibility to impulse buy. Private sale is unregulated [0]. Conceal carry appears to be legal without permit [0]. Just as here in US I can get a pistol legally in 5 minutes with no checks or registration or permit, same can be done for a black powder revolver in Poland. Watch Paul Harrell explain these firearms, they're no joke and I recommend every Polish resident consider one for self defense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCYaiRmcYVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCYaiRmcYVI [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Poland#:~:text=Unlicensed%20black%20powder%20firearms%20can,supervision%20of%20a%20licensed%20person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Poland#:~:text=Unl....