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Unless I'm missing something "turning the tables" means an abuse hotline existing, with a few people having their reputation tarnished because of their appallin

Unless I'm missing something "turning the tables" means an abuse hotline existing, with a few people having their reputation tarnished because of their appalling behavior. There don't seem to be any major changes implemented, and I imagine it's only a matter of time before the powerful start labeling it "cancel culture" and generating a backlash.

yesbut 4y ago
The ruling class doesn't mind people complaining. As long as it doesn't cost them financially or any political power then they'll cheer you on.
- ericmay 4y ago
  Who is the ruling class?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    In capitalist countries (like liberal democracies), the ruling class are the large capitalists.
    - ericmay 4y ago
      Who is the ruling class in non-capitalist countries?
      - monkey_monkey 4y ago
        Oh come on, this isn't difficult. Who do you think the ruling class is in North Korea? Who do you think the ruling class was in the Soviet Union?
        yesbut 4y ago
        He's trolling
      - qiskit 4y ago
        For any country, ask yourself whose interest the government/military/media/etc exists to serve. I'll give you a hint. It's never 'the people'. In capitalist countries, it's to serve the interest of capital. In monarchies, it's to serve the interest of the monarch. In communist countries, it's the serve the interest of the party. God knows what north korea is. A communist monarchy?
        ericmay 4y ago
        What should I do with this information?
        qiskit 4y ago
        Use it as inspiration to upvote me of course.
        ericmay 4y ago
        Yea maybe. I just don't understand what I'm supposed to do with these "capitalism is the ruling class" drive-by comments. Like.. so what? I like my iPhone and getting bread from the grocery store. I like that in America as flawed as it is I can post funny pictures of the most powerful person we elect. Many people hold up capitalist countries like Sweden or Norway as examples of good governance, yet they also serve their "capitalist masters". What am I supposed to do here? Not vote? Demand that we dissolve the government?
        qiskit 4y ago
        I guess you can cry about apple removing the flag icon? I don't know what you want. I'm just answering a question you asked. You asked this: "Who is the ruling class in non-capitalist countries? " I answered this: "For any country, ask yourself whose interest the government/military/media/etc exists to serve. I'll give you a hint. It's never 'the people'. In capitalist countries, it's to serve the interest of capital. In monarchies, it's to serve the interest of the monarch. In communist countries, it's the serve the interest of the party. God knows what north korea is. A communist monarchy?" My response wasn't about capitalists or capitalism. My response was about the ruling class for any country. You are so agenda driven you only see what you want. You asked a question, I answered and you are crying about what other people wrote. Not what I wrote.
    - klibertp 4y ago
      There's a local bent here, in that the large capitalists may rule everywhere, but the level of acceptance of that rule varies drastically between societies. In a society that was essentially feudal with a sanctioned slavery for thousands of years, that transitioned to a military junta dictatorship and only relatively recently started transitioning to liberal democracy, the ruled largely accepted having absolutely no recourse against the ruling. That there's a hotline now is actually a real, and substantial, progress.
      - yongjik 4y ago
        That's one way of looking at it but I'm not too sure about that. After all, the reason South Korea now enjoys a (mostly) functional democracy is that its people were not okay with the ruling class, and fought against the power for decades. Also, Korea went through a lot of social upheaval in the 20th century, which acted as a huge social mixer. The capitalist rulers of 2022 are not necessarily the descendants of old aristocrats of 1890s. Hyundai's founder was famously born to a dirt-poor farmer.
  - achow 4y ago
    ..sprawling, family-run conglomerates. Known as chaebol, these long-time pillars of the nation’s “miracle economy” include the likes of LG, Hyundai, SK, Lotte and — largest of them all — Samsung. https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/republic-samsung https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/republic-samsung
  - dominotw 4y ago
    upper middle class and homeowners who prevent more housing built for the poors.
    - muaytimbo 4y ago
      These "upper middle class" people pull the levers the government has put in place. If you want less regulation/zoning and more housing the problem is not "homeowners" it is the underlying structure that imbues them with veto power.
      - kodah 4y ago
        Well, it is a problem with homeowners because they're choosing to exercise a right that's patently unequitable. You are right that getting them to do the right thing is impossible, and that disenfranchising them is the only path forward.
        muaytimbo 4y ago
        Patently unequitable is an opinion, I'm not sure you can fault someone for voting if you give them a vote. But why anyone other than the property owner has a say over the property in question's management is still a mystery to me.
    - L_Rahman 4y ago
      This is a problem in many places, but it is absolutely not a problem in Korea which adds housing units in every one of its metro areas at a rate that would make community approval boards in the United States pass out. Seoul has a population of eight million. In the five years between 2015 and 2020, it added two hundred thousand housing units, and that rate is only going up. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290699/south-korea-number-of-homes-in-seoul/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290699/south-korea-numb...

yesbut 4y ago

The ruling class doesn't mind people complaining. As long as it doesn't cost them financially or any political power then they'll cheer you on.

ericmay 4y ago
Who is the ruling class?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  In capitalist countries (like liberal democracies), the ruling class are the large capitalists.
  - ericmay 4y ago
    Who is the ruling class in non-capitalist countries?
    - monkey_monkey 4y ago
      Oh come on, this isn't difficult. Who do you think the ruling class is in North Korea? Who do you think the ruling class was in the Soviet Union?
      - yesbut 4y ago
        He's trolling
    - qiskit 4y ago
      For any country, ask yourself whose interest the government/military/media/etc exists to serve. I'll give you a hint. It's never 'the people'. In capitalist countries, it's to serve the interest of capital. In monarchies, it's to serve the interest of the monarch. In communist countries, it's the serve the interest of the party. God knows what north korea is. A communist monarchy?
      - ericmay 4y ago
        What should I do with this information?
        qiskit 4y ago
        Use it as inspiration to upvote me of course.
        ericmay 4y ago
        Yea maybe. I just don't understand what I'm supposed to do with these "capitalism is the ruling class" drive-by comments. Like.. so what? I like my iPhone and getting bread from the grocery store. I like that in America as flawed as it is I can post funny pictures of the most powerful person we elect. Many people hold up capitalist countries like Sweden or Norway as examples of good governance, yet they also serve their "capitalist masters". What am I supposed to do here? Not vote? Demand that we dissolve the government?
        qiskit 4y ago
        I guess you can cry about apple removing the flag icon? I don't know what you want. I'm just answering a question you asked. You asked this: "Who is the ruling class in non-capitalist countries? " I answered this: "For any country, ask yourself whose interest the government/military/media/etc exists to serve. I'll give you a hint. It's never 'the people'. In capitalist countries, it's to serve the interest of capital. In monarchies, it's to serve the interest of the monarch. In communist countries, it's the serve the interest of the party. God knows what north korea is. A communist monarchy?" My response wasn't about capitalists or capitalism. My response was about the ruling class for any country. You are so agenda driven you only see what you want. You asked a question, I answered and you are crying about what other people wrote. Not what I wrote.
  - klibertp 4y ago
    There's a local bent here, in that the large capitalists may rule everywhere, but the level of acceptance of that rule varies drastically between societies. In a society that was essentially feudal with a sanctioned slavery for thousands of years, that transitioned to a military junta dictatorship and only relatively recently started transitioning to liberal democracy, the ruled largely accepted having absolutely no recourse against the ruling. That there's a hotline now is actually a real, and substantial, progress.
    - yongjik 4y ago
      That's one way of looking at it but I'm not too sure about that. After all, the reason South Korea now enjoys a (mostly) functional democracy is that its people were not okay with the ruling class, and fought against the power for decades. Also, Korea went through a lot of social upheaval in the 20th century, which acted as a huge social mixer. The capitalist rulers of 2022 are not necessarily the descendants of old aristocrats of 1890s. Hyundai's founder was famously born to a dirt-poor farmer.
- achow 4y ago
  ..sprawling, family-run conglomerates. Known as chaebol, these long-time pillars of the nation’s “miracle economy” include the likes of LG, Hyundai, SK, Lotte and — largest of them all — Samsung. https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/republic-samsung https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/republic-samsung
- dominotw 4y ago
  upper middle class and homeowners who prevent more housing built for the poors.
  - muaytimbo 4y ago
    These "upper middle class" people pull the levers the government has put in place. If you want less regulation/zoning and more housing the problem is not "homeowners" it is the underlying structure that imbues them with veto power.
    - kodah 4y ago
      Well, it is a problem with homeowners because they're choosing to exercise a right that's patently unequitable. You are right that getting them to do the right thing is impossible, and that disenfranchising them is the only path forward.
      - muaytimbo 4y ago
        Patently unequitable is an opinion, I'm not sure you can fault someone for voting if you give them a vote. But why anyone other than the property owner has a say over the property in question's management is still a mystery to me.
  - L_Rahman 4y ago
    This is a problem in many places, but it is absolutely not a problem in Korea which adds housing units in every one of its metro areas at a rate that would make community approval boards in the United States pass out. Seoul has a population of eight million. In the five years between 2015 and 2020, it added two hundred thousand housing units, and that rate is only going up. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290699/south-korea-number-of-homes-in-seoul/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290699/south-korea-numb...