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You lost me at "patent pending". This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. The issue is more the standards. Please don

You lost me at "patent pending". This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. The issue is more the standards. Please don't sell this to a patent troll who will harass the industry for 20 years.

Kleto 4y ago
Nvidia already showed this last year I think. So whatever he is trying to patent, big companies already patent something.
lmc 4y ago
> This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. Such as?
- latexr 4y ago
  Apple’s Eye Contact feature for FaceTime, introduced in 2019: https://www.fastcompany.com/90372724/welcome-to-post-reality-apple-will-now-fake-your-eye-contact-in-facetime https://www.fastcompany.com/90372724/welcome-to-post-reality...
- atleta 4y ago
  E.g.: "Neural Image Compression and Explanation" https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.08988 https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.08988
- causalmodels 4y ago
  https://www.dpreview.com/news/5756257699/nvidia-research-develops-a-neural-network-to-replace-traditional-video-compression https://www.dpreview.com/news/5756257699/nvidia-research-dev...
sounds 4y ago
Seriously, this hits all the wrong points before sliding into "don't sell this to a patent troll." "We, the armchair internet, have come to shout at you, innovative dude, that your ideas are worthless and that your interesting product is just fodder for patent trolls," ignores a few minor things - • The video codec industry is absolutely crawling with overlapping patents enforced by shell companies whose only purpose is to extract license fees from every screen that ever existed. The USPTO seems to not care. • This video codec was produced cleanly, and does not appear to overlap with any of the existing codecs. I'd say give this smart person some credit.
- latexr 4y ago
  Please don’t strawman. I see no evidence of shouting or calling the idea worthless in the root comment. Quite the contrary: if the poster had found it worthless, they wouldn’t be worried about it being sold to patent trolls. Furthermore, according to the App Store what’s patent-pending is the algorithm that boosts eye contact, so comments on the codec don’t apply.
  - sounds 4y ago
    Not a strawman - I think I'm seeing a video codec. You're seeing a "boosts eye contact" video filter? Can you clarify your statement? Maybe I missed what you meant.
riskable 4y ago
> You lost me at "patent pending". I had the same thought: As soon as I saw, "patent pending" I stopped reading. Not worth my time to learn about something that's going to be locked away. Talk to me in 18 years. Patents on software and algorithms (aka "math") shouldn't even exist.
atleta 4y ago
Yep, it's indeed a trivial idea. I'd say I probably seen it mentioned in the explanation of convnets: they compress the images more and more as you go deeper in the network (i.e. they extract the features). Compression+decompression is basically what an autoencoder does. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder .

Kleto 4y ago

Nvidia already showed this last year I think. So whatever he is trying to patent, big companies already patent something.

lmc 4y ago

> This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. Such as?

latexr 4y ago
Apple’s Eye Contact feature for FaceTime, introduced in 2019: https://www.fastcompany.com/90372724/welcome-to-post-reality-apple-will-now-fake-your-eye-contact-in-facetime https://www.fastcompany.com/90372724/welcome-to-post-reality...
atleta 4y ago
E.g.: "Neural Image Compression and Explanation" https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.08988 https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.08988
causalmodels 4y ago
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5756257699/nvidia-research-develops-a-neural-network-to-replace-traditional-video-compression https://www.dpreview.com/news/5756257699/nvidia-research-dev...

sounds 4y ago

Seriously, this hits all the wrong points before sliding into "don't sell this to a patent troll." "We, the armchair internet, have come to shout at you, innovative dude, that your ideas are worthless and that your interesting product is just fodder for patent trolls," ignores a few minor things - • The video codec industry is absolutely crawling with overlapping patents enforced by shell companies whose only purpose is to extract license fees from every screen that ever existed. The USPTO seems to not care. • This video codec was produced cleanly, and does not appear to overlap with any of the existing codecs. I'd say give this smart person some credit.

latexr 4y ago
Please don’t strawman. I see no evidence of shouting or calling the idea worthless in the root comment. Quite the contrary: if the poster had found it worthless, they wouldn’t be worried about it being sold to patent trolls. Furthermore, according to the App Store what’s patent-pending is the algorithm that boosts eye contact, so comments on the codec don’t apply.
- sounds 4y ago
  Not a strawman - I think I'm seeing a video codec. You're seeing a "boosts eye contact" video filter? Can you clarify your statement? Maybe I missed what you meant.

riskable 4y ago

> You lost me at "patent pending". I had the same thought: As soon as I saw, "patent pending" I stopped reading. Not worth my time to learn about something that's going to be locked away. Talk to me in 18 years. Patents on software and algorithms (aka "math") shouldn't even exist.

atleta 4y ago

Yep, it's indeed a trivial idea. I'd say I probably seen it mentioned in the explanation of convnets: they compress the images more and more as you go deeper in the network (i.e. they extract the features). Compression+decompression is basically what an autoencoder does. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder .