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I think the core issue is that: - Calendars are good at appointments but bad at everything else. - Day planners are good for jotting down what you're working

by jdvh 4y ago

I think the core issue is that: - Calendars are good at appointments but bad at everything else. - Day planners are good for jotting down what you're working on and for revisiting what you did last week/month, but if you put anything with a deadline in your day planner you're bound to forget it. And if you have a ton of notes that relate to a single project, where do you put them? - To-do lists tend to accumulate tasks and then you declare TODO bankruptcy, delete everything, and start over. I'm convinced it's possible to merge these concepts intelligently, in a way that hasn't been done before. An app that has a free-form day planner, but you can still tag items with a due date, tags, etc so you can still see which deadlines are approaching. You want to be able to zoom-in and zoom-out in your "tree" so you can do high level planning but you also want to be able to indent and add as many notes/ideas as you want without losing track of the bigger picture. With real-time multiuser editing and end-to-end encryption. That's what we're building with https://www.thymer.com https://www.thymer.com

Otek 4y ago
Looks promising. What about mobile access?
apricot13 4y ago
the one thing that solves all these problems is a daily weekly monthly review - what hasn't been solved yet is what happens when you miss a review!
evandale 4y ago
I think a bullet journal fills all these needs. I've tried it a few times but it doesn't work for me because of your third point. I can't maintain a TODO list and I've always had mine grow too big. I end up having to drag 5-10 things to the next day every day after a month or so. I know it's because I'm horrible at prioritization and I do best when given a list of crap to do and can pick and choose what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it. I use a big whiteboard calendar for my most important deadlines, bills, and appointments. I use a calendar app for recurring events. Then I use Obsidian to dump thoughts, lists, any random crap I think of that I can search through.
- jaden 4y ago
  > I can't maintain a TODO list and I've always had mine grow too big. I end up having to drag 5-10 things to the next day every day after a month or so. I know it's because I'm horrible at prioritization and I do best when given a list of crap to do and can pick and choose what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it. I used to have this same problem. My solution is to push items into the future if it's clear I'm not going to be able to get to them the next day. Sort of like GTD's tickler file. As long as your todo list tool allows you to add dates, you can view only items due today. That's made having a large list of tasks much easier to manage, because I only see what I have to work on today.
- Natsu 4y ago
  Honestly I sometimes think that I need a Jira backlog for real life. It's closer to a unification of todo list (that sometimes gets closed out / ignored...) and planner. Just slap a 'release calendar' on top of it and....
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Sometimes I do wish the whole world was on some sort of issue tracker, and any sort of problem you could just open a ticket. (Sometimes you actually can of course, but it not being one place for everything makes it a much higher barrier, sign-up, etc.)
- egypturnash 4y ago
  My experience is that those things you keep dragging to the next day again and again are one of the following: * not actually important if you’ve been putting them off for a month * insanely important but complicated things that need to be broken down into smaller tasks * important things with a lot of emotional baggage attached; either hand these off to someone who will not have that, or make time to unpack that baggage - unpacking it is usually the harder option and likely to become its own constantly-deferred to-do.
ydant 4y ago
It's really a shame that org-mode is constrained to Emacs (and the problems that come with that), because it really does already do most everything you mentioned here. It scratched so many itches for me - I just wasn't able to overcome (with the time I was willing to invest) various issues with performance and reliability. Always happy to see more attempts at solving this problem.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  I'm testing logseq, which to me is org-mode cross platform. So far, amazing
  - ydant 4y ago
    I had tried to switch from Emacs to logseq and had massive performance issues earlier this year. I have since migrated to Obsidian, but I'm finding I really want the structure of an outliner. Obsidian is great for some types of minds, but the outliner really appeals to the way I mentally organize information, and I'm finding it's a lot of fighting the system trying to get Obsidian to work the way I want it to. I guess I need to try logseq again - it really did have a lot of promise to be the cross-platform org-mode you mention.
layer8 4y ago
> I'm convinced it's possible to merge these concepts intelligently The MYN methodology comes pretty close to that for me: https://www.michaellinenberger.com/AboutMYN.html https://www.michaellinenberger.com/AboutMYN.html (Don’t be put off by the marketing angle and the terminology, it’s still the best personal work task management methodology I’ve come across.)
d0mine 4y ago
Except for "multiuser real-time" part, Org-mode has everything you've mentioned and more. And the great thing that it comes with emacs ;) Here's introduction: https://youtu.be/ZMEcb2rpauU https://youtu.be/ZMEcb2rpauU
cupofpython 4y ago
what made you choose IDE as the medium for solving this?

by jdvh 4y ago

Otek 4y ago

Looks promising. What about mobile access?

apricot13 4y ago

the one thing that solves all these problems is a daily weekly monthly review - what hasn't been solved yet is what happens when you miss a review!

evandale 4y ago

I think a bullet journal fills all these needs. I've tried it a few times but it doesn't work for me because of your third point. I can't maintain a TODO list and I've always had mine grow too big. I end up having to drag 5-10 things to the next day every day after a month or so. I know it's because I'm horrible at prioritization and I do best when given a list of crap to do and can pick and choose what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it. I use a big whiteboard calendar for my most important deadlines, bills, and appointments. I use a calendar app for recurring events. Then I use Obsidian to dump thoughts, lists, any random crap I think of that I can search through.

jaden 4y ago
> I can't maintain a TODO list and I've always had mine grow too big. I end up having to drag 5-10 things to the next day every day after a month or so. I know it's because I'm horrible at prioritization and I do best when given a list of crap to do and can pick and choose what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it. I used to have this same problem. My solution is to push items into the future if it's clear I'm not going to be able to get to them the next day. Sort of like GTD's tickler file. As long as your todo list tool allows you to add dates, you can view only items due today. That's made having a large list of tasks much easier to manage, because I only see what I have to work on today.
Natsu 4y ago
Honestly I sometimes think that I need a Jira backlog for real life. It's closer to a unification of todo list (that sometimes gets closed out / ignored...) and planner. Just slap a 'release calendar' on top of it and....
- OJFord 4y ago
  Sometimes I do wish the whole world was on some sort of issue tracker, and any sort of problem you could just open a ticket. (Sometimes you actually can of course, but it not being one place for everything makes it a much higher barrier, sign-up, etc.)
egypturnash 4y ago
My experience is that those things you keep dragging to the next day again and again are one of the following: * not actually important if you’ve been putting them off for a month * insanely important but complicated things that need to be broken down into smaller tasks * important things with a lot of emotional baggage attached; either hand these off to someone who will not have that, or make time to unpack that baggage - unpacking it is usually the harder option and likely to become its own constantly-deferred to-do.

ydant 4y ago

It's really a shame that org-mode is constrained to Emacs (and the problems that come with that), because it really does already do most everything you mentioned here. It scratched so many itches for me - I just wasn't able to overcome (with the time I was willing to invest) various issues with performance and reliability. Always happy to see more attempts at solving this problem.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
I'm testing logseq, which to me is org-mode cross platform. So far, amazing
- ydant 4y ago
  I had tried to switch from Emacs to logseq and had massive performance issues earlier this year. I have since migrated to Obsidian, but I'm finding I really want the structure of an outliner. Obsidian is great for some types of minds, but the outliner really appeals to the way I mentally organize information, and I'm finding it's a lot of fighting the system trying to get Obsidian to work the way I want it to. I guess I need to try logseq again - it really did have a lot of promise to be the cross-platform org-mode you mention.

layer8 4y ago

> I'm convinced it's possible to merge these concepts intelligently The MYN methodology comes pretty close to that for me: https://www.michaellinenberger.com/AboutMYN.html https://www.michaellinenberger.com/AboutMYN.html (Don’t be put off by the marketing angle and the terminology, it’s still the best personal work task management methodology I’ve come across.)

d0mine 4y ago

Except for "multiuser real-time" part, Org-mode has everything you've mentioned and more. And the great thing that it comes with emacs ;) Here's introduction: https://youtu.be/ZMEcb2rpauU https://youtu.be/ZMEcb2rpauU

cupofpython 4y ago

what made you choose IDE as the medium for solving this?