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Hi, we don't collect any data from the app, and have filled in the privacy etc. statements on the App Store accordingly. Ideally I would like to collect faces

Hi, we don't collect any data from the app, and have filled in the privacy etc. statements on the App Store accordingly. Ideally I would like to collect faces to train the compression on, in which case we would have to consult with lawyers to come up with an EULA allowing us to do this. The advantage compared to using broadly available datasets to train on would be more realistic shot noise, low light images, and so on. I don't see any other valid business purpose of collecting people's faces. We've been sitting on the face recognition tech since 2018, so if we'd wanted to become Clearview.ai we probably would have a long time ago.

UncleEntity 4y ago
> We've been sitting on the face recognition tech since 2018, so if we'd wanted to become Clearview.ai we probably would have a long time ago. It says right at the beginning of the post you were doing quite well until the pandemic shut down businesses. I try not to be overly critical (I really do) but this is one of those cases I just can’t help myself, I see no reason individual businesses should be running facial recognition on their customers and am kind of wary of someone who would enable that. And cities adding it to their collection of public cameras is beyond wrong. IDK, somewhere we, as a society, decided 1984 was an instruction manual and not a warning…
- jacobgorm 4y ago
  There is a difference between doing well and becoming China in terms of surveillance. Most of our revenue were from just plain head counting and from tracking cars in a smart city project. The one face rec system we actually sold was used to measure waiting times in a retail setting, and replaced an existing system that was using AWS Rekognition in the same manner, except with all the video footage going to the cloud. That license has long expired and the system is no longer running. In any case, what is stated in the app's privacy statement is what we are doing. At the moment I don't even collect the IP addresses of users connecting.
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    Thanks for your honest answers Jacob, and the good spirit to do so in public. This kind of discussion really helps with the topics I am researching (and btw if I mention this or anyone else from HN in the text it will always be in a non-identifying way). Good luck with your project.

UncleEntity 4y ago

> We've been sitting on the face recognition tech since 2018, so if we'd wanted to become Clearview.ai we probably would have a long time ago. It says right at the beginning of the post you were doing quite well until the pandemic shut down businesses. I try not to be overly critical (I really do) but this is one of those cases I just can’t help myself, I see no reason individual businesses should be running facial recognition on their customers and am kind of wary of someone who would enable that. And cities adding it to their collection of public cameras is beyond wrong. IDK, somewhere we, as a society, decided 1984 was an instruction manual and not a warning…

jacobgorm 4y ago
There is a difference between doing well and becoming China in terms of surveillance. Most of our revenue were from just plain head counting and from tracking cars in a smart city project. The one face rec system we actually sold was used to measure waiting times in a retail setting, and replaced an existing system that was using AWS Rekognition in the same manner, except with all the video footage going to the cloud. That license has long expired and the system is no longer running. In any case, what is stated in the app's privacy statement is what we are doing. At the moment I don't even collect the IP addresses of users connecting.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  Thanks for your honest answers Jacob, and the good spirit to do so in public. This kind of discussion really helps with the topics I am researching (and btw if I mention this or anyone else from HN in the text it will always be in a non-identifying way). Good luck with your project.