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But there are more people involved than just those killed. Think of the effort, time and trauma involved in years and years of active shooter drills. We can’t j

But there are more people involved than just those killed. Think of the effort, time and trauma involved in years and years of active shooter drills. We can’t just centre the tragedies and ignore the deeper effects of them.

ryan93 4y ago
There is no trauma in active shooter drills. Not that I don’t think gun control Is worthwhile.
- meheleventyone 4y ago
  There isn’t? I don’t think you’re considering the mental impact of that sort of preparation and drilling. Particularly on young children. Particularly when it hits the more extreme simulation end of the spectrum with role played shooters and trying to trick classes into opening doors with screaming classmates outside. For example: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-021-00993-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-021-00993-6 I’d expect people to deflect, minimise or argue that the trade off is worthwhile but blanket denial is pretty odd given the circumstances. There are after all plenty of articles interviewing parents and kids who have been affected as well as research.
  - ryan93 4y ago
    Unlike you I remember being in school. Almost any activity like that was thought of as a joke by kids and a waste of time. People endure actually hardships all over the world and come out fine. A couple hours of sitting in a corner won’t hurt anyone. But i doubt it works fwiw
    - meheleventyone 4y ago
      Extrapolating from your own experience is a poor way to generalise particularly when the experiences of others are easily accessible and directly contradict you.
sokoloff 4y ago
If the government banned new and bought back every magazine over 10 rounds, would people stop having these drills? I doubt they would. (If they make sense to have in a world with 20 round magazines, they make exactly as much sense in a world with 10 round magazines and a fantasy that no 20, 30, or 50 round magazines remain.)
concordDance 4y ago
I mean mostly because a hand gun will do just fine if you're shooting kids in a classroom who can't escape. An AR-15 is overkill unless you're wantong to kill many people in more open areas like Breivik did.

ryan93 4y ago

There is no trauma in active shooter drills. Not that I don’t think gun control Is worthwhile.

meheleventyone 4y ago
There isn’t? I don’t think you’re considering the mental impact of that sort of preparation and drilling. Particularly on young children. Particularly when it hits the more extreme simulation end of the spectrum with role played shooters and trying to trick classes into opening doors with screaming classmates outside. For example: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-021-00993-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-021-00993-6 I’d expect people to deflect, minimise or argue that the trade off is worthwhile but blanket denial is pretty odd given the circumstances. There are after all plenty of articles interviewing parents and kids who have been affected as well as research.
- ryan93 4y ago
  Unlike you I remember being in school. Almost any activity like that was thought of as a joke by kids and a waste of time. People endure actually hardships all over the world and come out fine. A couple hours of sitting in a corner won’t hurt anyone. But i doubt it works fwiw
  - meheleventyone 4y ago
    Extrapolating from your own experience is a poor way to generalise particularly when the experiences of others are easily accessible and directly contradict you.

sokoloff 4y ago

If the government banned new and bought back every magazine over 10 rounds, would people stop having these drills? I doubt they would. (If they make sense to have in a world with 20 round magazines, they make exactly as much sense in a world with 10 round magazines and a fantasy that no 20, 30, or 50 round magazines remain.)

concordDance 4y ago

I mean mostly because a hand gun will do just fine if you're shooting kids in a classroom who can't escape. An AR-15 is overkill unless you're wantong to kill many people in more open areas like Breivik did.