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Has always been.
by AtlasLion 4y ago
Has always been.
- baisq 4y agoNot physically, not politically, not culturally. In what way is Turkey in Europe?
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- pmontra 4y agoPlays football and basketball in their European federations. Probably any other sport too. Apart from that I personally think of Turkey as Middle East, Asia.
- skinnymuch 4y agoJust look at them. Their skin being 1% darker than Greeks clearly means they aren’t European.
- mrtksn 4y agoPhysically due to it's geography(the arbitrary division of Asia/Europe aside, Turkey has a very significant population(over 10 Million people) on its officially European lands), culturally due to it's history(The Ottoman Empire has had its significant chunk in Eastern Europe), Culturally(Turks have quite an European culture despite the Islamic influence. That's what happens when you live for generations in Europe. Do I have to mention that the roots of many European cultures are in Turkey. Have you heard of Hagia Sofia for example?). The Turkish economy and Turkish institutions are deeply integrated with the European ones, that's still true despite the damage the Erdogan caused. It's True that Turks are not much like the Germans or the Dutch but they are like the Greeks, the Spanish and the Hungarians. The camels and the belly dancers are Tourist attractions. Not to be confused with how Turks live.
- baisq 4y agoYou mention the past. So many things have changed since then. I am Spanish and I take offence at being compared to a Turk. Turkey is a Muslim country that is completely placed in Asia with forced marriage and honour killings. There have been recent talks of bringing back the death penalty[]. Erdogan is the true face of the country despite the whitewashing that had been happening in the recent decades. []https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-leaders-agree-death-penalty-terrorists-and-child-killers-report https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-leaders-agree-dea...
- skinnymuch 4y agoSo you’re just going full mask off and telling us you’re a bigot? Spain being a major contributor to racism and not always considered white must pain you.
- mrtksn 4y agoTurkey is not a muslim country but a country with majority of its population being muslim. Forced marriages and honour killings are illegal activities in the rural regions that are becoming thing of the past thanks to the active measures taken. Arranged marriages are still common in the rural parts but almost non-existent in the cities. And no, Turkey has no death penalty. Politicians may say that they would re-introduce it when they speak to their extremist voters and they had the political power for a decade to re-introduce but they never did. Do you know why? Because it's an extremely unpopular among the Turks. I think you need a reality check.
- tsimionescu 4y agoThe fact that you are a self-admitted bigot (taking offense at being compared to any member of an entire group is the definition of bigotry)doesn't entitle you to change history or geography. Turkey is geographically partly in Europe. Istanbul sits on the historical border between Europe and Asia, and there is a chuck of land west of Istanbul that is Turkish. In fact, there are parts of Turkey on the European mainland that are farther west than much of Ukraine or Moldova. Islam is an important part of the culture of many European countries - Spain in particular has significant historical Muslim influence, especially in your architecture. Several majority-Muslim countries are firmly in Europe - Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania, North Macedonia. There are significant Muslim minorities in a few other countries - Bulgaria, Cyprus, Montenegro, Georgia. Even in Western Europe, there are significant Muslim minorities in many of the old colonial empires - France, Belgium, Sweden, The Netherlands, UK. Not to mention, Turkey is still a secular country, even if Erdogan seems poised to turn it towards fundamentalism unfortunately.
- weberer 4y agoThe small chunk of land north-west of Istanbul is considered part of Europe. The rest is Asia.
- skinnymuch 4y agoWhy are Europe and Asia considered two continents? I wonder if some people would love for Israel to be considered European…but of course not the rest of the area around it…you know why. Wink wink.
- weberer 4y ago>Why are Europe and Asia considered two continents? Because the ancient Greek cartographers thought they were clearly separated, and the convention just stuck. Of course its easier for us to see it differently with satellite imagery.
- skinnymuch 4y agoI was inferring modern racism is why it is nearly embedded into our culture. I don’t think so many people would have issues with Turkey being European if they were paler and Christian.
- jfk13 4y agoWell, partly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Turkey
- juki 4y agoThe company in question does seem to be headquartered in Istanbul, on the European side of the strait: https://goo.gl/maps/23aKqwx2xRtdHU4A6 https://goo.gl/maps/23aKqwx2xRtdHU4A6