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> For all the buzz about python3 fiasco, we're pretty much migrated now and py2 Python 3.0 was released in 2008, the fact that 14 years later 2.7 is still wide

> For all the buzz about python3 fiasco, we're pretty much migrated now and py2 Python 3.0 was released in 2008, the fact that 14 years later 2.7 is still widely available (and often the default python, e.g. in my openSUSE Tumbleweed system here) means that the "buzz" was more than warranted. Also of course things would migrate, it isn't like there was any choice on that matter (and projects like Tauthon that tried to provide a choice had several "Pythonistas" attacking it).

viraptor 4y ago
> it isn't like there was any choice on that matter There was another choice. This is what I mean: however bad you think py2->py3 was, people are using py3 now unless they've got really good reasons not to and are prepared to suffer. When it came to perl5/6, it turns out over time most people choose "neither". SUSE didn't update the link like others did so it's not really that py2 is the default, but python2 was always named python. It's going away anyway: https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15-SP3/index.html#jsc-SLE-16746 https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15-SP3/in...
- codeflo 4y ago
  The “neither” choice happened with Python 2/3 as well. The current re-emergence of Python as a machine learning/data science languages is basically a new trend. Long before that, before the Python 3 transition, there was a significant amount of buzz around everything from web frameworks to desktop GUI applications. The way I remember it, almost all of that attention was killed during the transition, when people tried Python and found a significantly lacking and confusing ecosystem.
  - rprospero 4y ago
    > there was a significant amount of buzz around ... desktop GUI applications As someone who is still supporting multiple desktop GUI applications in python, what did they pick instead? I'd love move off Python, but nothing else seemed to have the proper maturity.
    - alisonatwork 4y ago
      Seems like today's standard pick is Electron.
  - baq 4y ago
    it was a trend made possible by numpy and scipy being built for a decade before the phrase 'deep learning' was coined. it had just the right mix to blow up: easy to read, easy to write, batteries included. it wasn't inevitable, but it was damn likely.
  - MadWombat 4y ago
    "The current re-emergence of Python as a machine learning/data science languages is basically a new trend" This new trend is about a decade old by now. Pandas was released in 2011, numpy in 1995. Google released Tensorflow to the public in 2015.
- badsectoracula 4y ago
  > There was another choice. Only if you count "not making a choice" (ie. staying with Python 2) as a choice. But this isn't really practical since everything else is pushed towards Python 3.

viraptor 4y ago

> it isn't like there was any choice on that matter There was another choice. This is what I mean: however bad you think py2->py3 was, people are using py3 now unless they've got really good reasons not to and are prepared to suffer. When it came to perl5/6, it turns out over time most people choose "neither". SUSE didn't update the link like others did so it's not really that py2 is the default, but python2 was always named python. It's going away anyway: https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15-SP3/index.html#jsc-SLE-16746 https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15-SP3/in...

codeflo 4y ago
The “neither” choice happened with Python 2/3 as well. The current re-emergence of Python as a machine learning/data science languages is basically a new trend. Long before that, before the Python 3 transition, there was a significant amount of buzz around everything from web frameworks to desktop GUI applications. The way I remember it, almost all of that attention was killed during the transition, when people tried Python and found a significantly lacking and confusing ecosystem.
- rprospero 4y ago
  > there was a significant amount of buzz around ... desktop GUI applications As someone who is still supporting multiple desktop GUI applications in python, what did they pick instead? I'd love move off Python, but nothing else seemed to have the proper maturity.
  - alisonatwork 4y ago
    Seems like today's standard pick is Electron.
- baq 4y ago
  it was a trend made possible by numpy and scipy being built for a decade before the phrase 'deep learning' was coined. it had just the right mix to blow up: easy to read, easy to write, batteries included. it wasn't inevitable, but it was damn likely.
- MadWombat 4y ago
  "The current re-emergence of Python as a machine learning/data science languages is basically a new trend" This new trend is about a decade old by now. Pandas was released in 2011, numpy in 1995. Google released Tensorflow to the public in 2015.
badsectoracula 4y ago
> There was another choice. Only if you count "not making a choice" (ie. staying with Python 2) as a choice. But this isn't really practical since everything else is pushed towards Python 3.