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I was writing up a whole explanation for how that couldn't possibly work, but tbh you aren't really wrong with that, after all captchas these days do similar wo

I was writing up a whole explanation for how that couldn't possibly work, but tbh you aren't really wrong with that, after all captchas these days do similar work. I guess the primary concern with a porn model would be the ethics of it, which might turn off any company from helping out on training resources (for example, Google's TPU Research Cloud requires you to follow their code of ethics on AI, which would be very difficult to do with a topic as sensitive to people as porn).

fluoridation 4y ago
Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical?
- webmaven 4y ago
  > Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical? There are several potential ways: The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. The result may be degrading or demeaning to people who share characteristics with the virtual people depicted (gender, race, etc.) Increasing the supply may increase the demand, exacerbating the previous issue. The technology could be trivially repurposed to produce content that is entirely illegal.
  - fft_fan 4y ago
    > The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. That is an oft-overlooked point. In this instance, I think many forget how exploitative pornography actually is. And sex work in general.
    - webmaven 4y ago
      I'm not someone who thinks sex work is inherently exploitative, but in practice it usually is, and many of the efforts to stamp it out just exacerbate the power imbalances that lead to exploitation. We're seeing a lot of garden variety capitalist exploitation happening with ordinary mainstream training data production and labeling work, so I would expect anything adult-adjacent to be correspondingly worse, even though it doesn't have to be.

fluoridation 4y ago

Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical?

webmaven 4y ago
> Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical? There are several potential ways: The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. The result may be degrading or demeaning to people who share characteristics with the virtual people depicted (gender, race, etc.) Increasing the supply may increase the demand, exacerbating the previous issue. The technology could be trivially repurposed to produce content that is entirely illegal.
- fft_fan 4y ago
  > The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. That is an oft-overlooked point. In this instance, I think many forget how exploitative pornography actually is. And sex work in general.
  - webmaven 4y ago
    I'm not someone who thinks sex work is inherently exploitative, but in practice it usually is, and many of the efforts to stamp it out just exacerbate the power imbalances that lead to exploitation. We're seeing a lot of garden variety capitalist exploitation happening with ordinary mainstream training data production and labeling work, so I would expect anything adult-adjacent to be correspondingly worse, even though it doesn't have to be.