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Which is why porn is such a great dataset for crowdsource: - lots of people are stimulated by it - lots of people want DALL-E-2 for porn - and lots of people

Which is why porn is such a great dataset for crowdsource: - lots of people are stimulated by it - lots of people want DALL-E-2 for porn - and lots of people are willing to work towards that common goal The beauty of this is that people are just going to keep coming and coming to it. Like I'm trying to be mature and serious about this. What's it going to take? - Community responsible for scraping dataset, generating image dataset from moving pictures, upscaling said dataset. - Crowdsourced labeling, cleaning, normalizing dataset - Crowdfunding to train, host, and publish. All of the above are not easy by any means but its much more achievable than trying to build a generic DALL-E that can create anything. Really my point is that the scope of the dataset has narrower range in terms of desired output where as DALL-E-2 casts a far wider net. Specialization is key here.

dotnet00 4y ago
I was writing up a whole explanation for how that couldn't possibly work, but tbh you aren't really wrong with that, after all captchas these days do similar work. I guess the primary concern with a porn model would be the ethics of it, which might turn off any company from helping out on training resources (for example, Google's TPU Research Cloud requires you to follow their code of ethics on AI, which would be very difficult to do with a topic as sensitive to people as porn).
- fluoridation 4y ago
  Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical?
  - webmaven 4y ago
    > Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical? There are several potential ways: The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. The result may be degrading or demeaning to people who share characteristics with the virtual people depicted (gender, race, etc.) Increasing the supply may increase the demand, exacerbating the previous issue. The technology could be trivially repurposed to produce content that is entirely illegal.
    - fft_fan 4y ago
      > The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. That is an oft-overlooked point. In this instance, I think many forget how exploitative pornography actually is. And sex work in general.
      - webmaven 4y ago
        I'm not someone who thinks sex work is inherently exploitative, but in practice it usually is, and many of the efforts to stamp it out just exacerbate the power imbalances that lead to exploitation. We're seeing a lot of garden variety capitalist exploitation happening with ordinary mainstream training data production and labeling work, so I would expect anything adult-adjacent to be correspondingly worse, even though it doesn't have to be.
turtledove 4y ago
You are going to need to figure out how to filter out copyrighted works and images for which you don't have permission (eg, someone uploading a picture of an ex partner).
- tomatowurst 4y ago
  If its in public domain, there is no implicit right to privacy. It's going to be super difficult to claim derivative of copyrighted material going forward.
  - turtledove 4y ago
    Sure, but how much of that material is in the public domain? I'd assume not a lot.
visarga 4y ago
> people are just going to keep coming and coming to it ಠ_ಠ

dotnet00 4y ago

I was writing up a whole explanation for how that couldn't possibly work, but tbh you aren't really wrong with that, after all captchas these days do similar work. I guess the primary concern with a porn model would be the ethics of it, which might turn off any company from helping out on training resources (for example, Google's TPU Research Cloud requires you to follow their code of ethics on AI, which would be very difficult to do with a topic as sensitive to people as porn).

fluoridation 4y ago
Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical?
- webmaven 4y ago
  > Sincerely asking: why is this an issue of ethics? What about algorithmically generating porn would be unethical? There are several potential ways: The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. The result may be degrading or demeaning to people who share characteristics with the virtual people depicted (gender, race, etc.) Increasing the supply may increase the demand, exacerbating the previous issue. The technology could be trivially repurposed to produce content that is entirely illegal.
  - fft_fan 4y ago
    > The training data may come from unethical sources or processes. That is an oft-overlooked point. In this instance, I think many forget how exploitative pornography actually is. And sex work in general.
    - webmaven 4y ago
      I'm not someone who thinks sex work is inherently exploitative, but in practice it usually is, and many of the efforts to stamp it out just exacerbate the power imbalances that lead to exploitation. We're seeing a lot of garden variety capitalist exploitation happening with ordinary mainstream training data production and labeling work, so I would expect anything adult-adjacent to be correspondingly worse, even though it doesn't have to be.

turtledove 4y ago

You are going to need to figure out how to filter out copyrighted works and images for which you don't have permission (eg, someone uploading a picture of an ex partner).

tomatowurst 4y ago
If its in public domain, there is no implicit right to privacy. It's going to be super difficult to claim derivative of copyrighted material going forward.
- turtledove 4y ago
  Sure, but how much of that material is in the public domain? I'd assume not a lot.

visarga 4y ago

> people are just going to keep coming and coming to it ಠ_ಠ