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You're not really following this through to it's logical conclusion. If you want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, yes there is a process for this. So let's fas

You're not really following this through to it's logical conclusion. If you want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, yes there is a process for this. So let's fast forward and imagine that, somehow, you've gotten enough people and States on board with changing the Bill of Rights, and to keep it simple the 28th Amendment simply says "the 2nd Amendment is hereby REPEALED". But then what? Pass laws that do, what, exactly? Confiscation? >It’s not like Steve grabs a pitchfork and YOLOs his way to no second amendment. Well ... the original founders of this country did, in fact, YOLO their way to a new one. They did it with guns though, not pitchforks.

paulcole 4y ago
Confiscation is one option, yes. Voluntary buy backs another. Making essentially everyone who owns a gun feel embarrassed and like a social pariah is another. Choosing to buy a gun should be thought of as one of the stupidest decisions the average person can make. It’s called changing our culture and it doesn’t happen overnight. Like I said in another comment, another good option is to just say, “Welp, this won’t work.” Then acted surprised when the next school gets shot up.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  Can you explain how you think confiscation would work? So let me get this straight. You think gun ownership is a major problem, and that to get people with guns to get rid of them your solution is to ... bully them? How does this bullying work in places that have high levels of violent crime?
  - paulcole 4y ago
    > How does this bullying work in places that have high levels of violent crime? Slowly.
- CapricornNoble 4y ago
  >>>It’s called changing our culture and it doesn’t happen overnight. So why don't we dump our energy into figuring out why we have so many socially-maladjusted young men who are lashing out violently? Then we can reduce the number of murdered children AND still keep our guns. I mean, even in developing countries that are awash in weapons you don't see lone-wolf teenagers gunning down schoolkids regularly; school attacks are usually due to organized terrorist movements. Something is seriously broken in our national psyche and we refuse to address it.
- Merad 4y ago
  > Choosing to buy a gun should be thought of as one of the stupidest decisions the average person can make. Yeah, we're not at that point. We aren't remotely close. Recently polling shows the country split almost 50/50 on support for stricter gun laws [0]. If we ever do reach the point where popular sentiment reflects your quote then you've _already_ won, and changing laws to ban guns isn't much more than an afterthought. If somehow you managed to push through a gun ban before the country has changed, you're going to see a revolt. What do you do when police departments refuse to enforce the law? Probably entire state governments as well? Are you going to send in the army to go door to door confiscating guns? Assuming that the soldiers are willing to follow orders... Barring a major flip in US culture - which doesn't appear to be remotely likely in the near future - the only possible outcome of a ban on guns is civil war. That isn't dramatic right wing propaganda. The right to bear arms is enshrined in the US constitution and upheld by the Supreme Court. You may not like the fact that it is, and you may not think that it should be _but it is_. If we reach the point where constitutional rights are meaningless then the entire US system of government has failed, and its demise won't be a pretty thing. I hope you're smart enough to realize that a US civil war in the modern era would be incredibly bad for everyone and would probably result in the deaths of millions. 0: https://news.gallup.com/poll/357317/stricter-gun-laws-less-popular.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/357317/stricter-gun-laws-less-p...

paulcole 4y ago

Confiscation is one option, yes. Voluntary buy backs another. Making essentially everyone who owns a gun feel embarrassed and like a social pariah is another. Choosing to buy a gun should be thought of as one of the stupidest decisions the average person can make. It’s called changing our culture and it doesn’t happen overnight. Like I said in another comment, another good option is to just say, “Welp, this won’t work.” Then acted surprised when the next school gets shot up.

remarkEon 4y ago
Can you explain how you think confiscation would work? So let me get this straight. You think gun ownership is a major problem, and that to get people with guns to get rid of them your solution is to ... bully them? How does this bullying work in places that have high levels of violent crime?
- paulcole 4y ago
  > How does this bullying work in places that have high levels of violent crime? Slowly.
CapricornNoble 4y ago
>>>It’s called changing our culture and it doesn’t happen overnight. So why don't we dump our energy into figuring out why we have so many socially-maladjusted young men who are lashing out violently? Then we can reduce the number of murdered children AND still keep our guns. I mean, even in developing countries that are awash in weapons you don't see lone-wolf teenagers gunning down schoolkids regularly; school attacks are usually due to organized terrorist movements. Something is seriously broken in our national psyche and we refuse to address it.
Merad 4y ago
> Choosing to buy a gun should be thought of as one of the stupidest decisions the average person can make. Yeah, we're not at that point. We aren't remotely close. Recently polling shows the country split almost 50/50 on support for stricter gun laws [0]. If we ever do reach the point where popular sentiment reflects your quote then you've _already_ won, and changing laws to ban guns isn't much more than an afterthought. If somehow you managed to push through a gun ban before the country has changed, you're going to see a revolt. What do you do when police departments refuse to enforce the law? Probably entire state governments as well? Are you going to send in the army to go door to door confiscating guns? Assuming that the soldiers are willing to follow orders... Barring a major flip in US culture - which doesn't appear to be remotely likely in the near future - the only possible outcome of a ban on guns is civil war. That isn't dramatic right wing propaganda. The right to bear arms is enshrined in the US constitution and upheld by the Supreme Court. You may not like the fact that it is, and you may not think that it should be _but it is_. If we reach the point where constitutional rights are meaningless then the entire US system of government has failed, and its demise won't be a pretty thing. I hope you're smart enough to realize that a US civil war in the modern era would be incredibly bad for everyone and would probably result in the deaths of millions. 0: https://news.gallup.com/poll/357317/stricter-gun-laws-less-popular.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/357317/stricter-gun-laws-less-p...