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Not even one minute in and already been hit with statistics unrelated with startup success - they're all revolving around D&I. Those are real issues, but the o

Not even one minute in and already been hit with statistics unrelated with startup success - they're all revolving around D&I. Those are real issues, but the obvious political agenda is a turn-off.

Tubelord 4y ago
I'm casually browsing but closed it when I saw latinx (not a real word).
- michaelmior 4y ago
  What makes a word a "real" word? All words were made up at some point or another. Latinx is in the OED which, if there is a way to decide whether a word is real, seems to be a strong signal.
  - Tubelord 4y ago
    Despite it being around long enough, virtually no Spanish native speakers have adopted it. In fact, they've flat out rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx#Reception
    - michaelmior 4y ago
      I'm not advocating for or against the use of the word. I just don't understand the argument that it isn't a real word.
    - krainboltgreene 4y ago
      You should actually attempt to read the study you're referencing by proxy of a wikipedia link (also, very lazy to not just cite the study): That absolutely was not the result the study found. First, it was a study of "Latinx among Hispanic-Latinos in the United States". Second, this is how the study was performed: > Building off of the work of Salinas and Lozano (2019), we assess the emergence of and increasing interest in the term “Latinx” in two distinct ways: 1)by examining Google Search Trends as a proxy for the degree of public interest in the term(Mellon 2014), and 2)by measuring the prevalence of use of the term in academic scholarship using the Dimensions API. Even based on this they find: > [...] indicate that just 25% of Hispanic Latino individuals are even aware of the term (Pew Research Center 2020). Finally > Overall, 25.3% of all respondents have heard of the term Latinx. Among those who have heard of the term, 14.4% stated they have ever used the term to describe themselves. Similarly, 31.7% of those who have heard the term believed it should be used to describe the broader Hispanic/Latino population. At no point in the study do they ever suggest that the term is rejected, in fact what it found was that the more the responder was in spaces where racial privilege mattered they used it more and less when they went home.
      - UncleEntity 4y ago
        My math skills are somewhat lacking but 3.64% of all respondents using the term to describe themselves doesn’t seem like mass adoption. And even that small group doesn’t use it around fellow Latinxs (don’t know the plural, Latinii?). Some might even call that rejection if they were so inclined.
        krainboltgreene 4y ago
        Sure, if you want to misrepresent the situation you could definitely call that a "rejection".
  - xmprt 4y ago
    I'm actually for D&I but latinx seems like textbook virtue signalling especially when most Latin-American people don't even like it. I believe they prefer just latino.
    - krainboltgreene 4y ago
      The above comment isn't true and doesn't reflect any studies done (https://osf.io/m39v5/ https://osf.io/m39v5/).
      - xmprt 4y ago
        Are you saying that my comment isn't true? I read through the abstract and conclusion and the study just seems to claim that latinx is gaining broader recognition in college educated and younger people however there's still a gap between knowledge of the term and actual usage. There were hypothesis about it gaining more usage however that's not reflected in the actual study and it even goes so far as to say that "the term will be... accepted or not, regardless of what the RAE(Real Academia Española) or academics say" > Overall, 25.3% of all respondents have heard of the term Latinx. Among those who have heard of the term, 14.4% stated they have ever used the term to describe themselves If 85% of people who've heard of the term have never referred to themselves as latinx, that doesn't sound good for its adoption. Seems like the jury's still out on whether it's gaining acceptance or not but at the moment, latino is overwhelmingly favored.
        krainboltgreene 4y ago
        Words aren't an application, just because it's not generally used doesn't mean it's "not good for adoption". Further, where it's used and who it's being used by matters a ton when it comes to linguistics. Finally, latino was originally coined in the 40's while latinx is only what, 15 years old in some cases? But none of this matters because your claim was: "latinx seems like textbook virtue [sic]signalling especially when most Latin-American people don't even like it".
        4y ago
  - rfrey 4y ago
    It might be a real word, but it's still linguistic and cultural colonialism.
jmcgough 4y ago
Amazing that any mention of D&I issues is a "political agenda" (p.s. this was funded by a think tank that doesn't really focus on D&I at all)
- seoaeu 4y ago
  The great thing about being able to dismiss anything just for being “political” is that you can label anything that way. Instant heckler’s veto!
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Not even one minute in and already been hit with statistics unrelated with startup success - they're all revolving around D&I. Those are real issues, but the obvious political agenda is a turn-off.

Tubelord 4y ago

I'm casually browsing but closed it when I saw latinx (not a real word).

michaelmior 4y ago
What makes a word a "real" word? All words were made up at some point or another. Latinx is in the OED which, if there is a way to decide whether a word is real, seems to be a strong signal.
- Tubelord 4y ago
  Despite it being around long enough, virtually no Spanish native speakers have adopted it. In fact, they've flat out rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx#Reception
  - michaelmior 4y ago
    I'm not advocating for or against the use of the word. I just don't understand the argument that it isn't a real word.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    You should actually attempt to read the study you're referencing by proxy of a wikipedia link (also, very lazy to not just cite the study): That absolutely was not the result the study found. First, it was a study of "Latinx among Hispanic-Latinos in the United States". Second, this is how the study was performed: > Building off of the work of Salinas and Lozano (2019), we assess the emergence of and increasing interest in the term “Latinx” in two distinct ways: 1)by examining Google Search Trends as a proxy for the degree of public interest in the term(Mellon 2014), and 2)by measuring the prevalence of use of the term in academic scholarship using the Dimensions API. Even based on this they find: > [...] indicate that just 25% of Hispanic Latino individuals are even aware of the term (Pew Research Center 2020). Finally > Overall, 25.3% of all respondents have heard of the term Latinx. Among those who have heard of the term, 14.4% stated they have ever used the term to describe themselves. Similarly, 31.7% of those who have heard the term believed it should be used to describe the broader Hispanic/Latino population. At no point in the study do they ever suggest that the term is rejected, in fact what it found was that the more the responder was in spaces where racial privilege mattered they used it more and less when they went home.
    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      My math skills are somewhat lacking but 3.64% of all respondents using the term to describe themselves doesn’t seem like mass adoption. And even that small group doesn’t use it around fellow Latinxs (don’t know the plural, Latinii?). Some might even call that rejection if they were so inclined.
      - krainboltgreene 4y ago
        Sure, if you want to misrepresent the situation you could definitely call that a "rejection".
- xmprt 4y ago
  I'm actually for D&I but latinx seems like textbook virtue signalling especially when most Latin-American people don't even like it. I believe they prefer just latino.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    The above comment isn't true and doesn't reflect any studies done (https://osf.io/m39v5/ https://osf.io/m39v5/).
    - xmprt 4y ago
      Are you saying that my comment isn't true? I read through the abstract and conclusion and the study just seems to claim that latinx is gaining broader recognition in college educated and younger people however there's still a gap between knowledge of the term and actual usage. There were hypothesis about it gaining more usage however that's not reflected in the actual study and it even goes so far as to say that "the term will be... accepted or not, regardless of what the RAE(Real Academia Española) or academics say" > Overall, 25.3% of all respondents have heard of the term Latinx. Among those who have heard of the term, 14.4% stated they have ever used the term to describe themselves If 85% of people who've heard of the term have never referred to themselves as latinx, that doesn't sound good for its adoption. Seems like the jury's still out on whether it's gaining acceptance or not but at the moment, latino is overwhelmingly favored.
      - krainboltgreene 4y ago
        Words aren't an application, just because it's not generally used doesn't mean it's "not good for adoption". Further, where it's used and who it's being used by matters a ton when it comes to linguistics. Finally, latino was originally coined in the 40's while latinx is only what, 15 years old in some cases? But none of this matters because your claim was: "latinx seems like textbook virtue [sic]signalling especially when most Latin-American people don't even like it".
        4y ago
- rfrey 4y ago
  It might be a real word, but it's still linguistic and cultural colonialism.

jmcgough 4y ago

Amazing that any mention of D&I issues is a "political agenda" (p.s. this was funded by a think tank that doesn't really focus on D&I at all)

seoaeu 4y ago
The great thing about being able to dismiss anything just for being “political” is that you can label anything that way. Instant heckler’s veto!

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