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I have no idea why you're shouting at clouds about this in a discussion about a car targeting the mid-high luxury market. They're going after Model S and Merced

I have no idea why you're shouting at clouds about this in a discussion about a car targeting the mid-high luxury market. They're going after Model S and Mercedes EQS market share. The luxury market has gone toward using lots of screens. If you're not in the market for a $100,000 car, this has no effect on, or relevancy to, you. > I will say that Kia niro ev came pretty close to this. A friend has a Kia Niro and bought it specifically because of how loaded it was with features and gadgets for the price. It has a veritable sea of buttons on the wheel and center console, and two screens. Come on, dude. If you want a basic EV, the Chevy Bolt is about the closest you'll likely get. With no options it'll come with very few "toys." The whole "why don't they make a very basic car" has been rehashed over and over here and elsewhere. There's no market. Most of the expense is in development, emissions, crash testing, and tooling - not tacking on bits and bobs. People want bits and bobs, which is why they pay lots of extra money for them. The whole "why touch screens" has been rehashed over and over as well. Touch screens are cheap to manufacture, can be heavily reused (Ford uses the same small handful of screens in a number of its vehicles for example), easily localized, and can be updated in functionality. Yes, they're terrible from a UX standpoint. Car companies don't care.

teaearlgraycold 4y ago
One day we'll have a thriving EV upgrade market. Then you can take your old dumb car and drive out with a modern EV.
- Kirby64 4y ago
  It already exists, but the way combustion cars are built is just completely opposed to how you build an EV. You end up with a really crappy EV (specifically, in range) that still costs $20k+ now. In the future maybe that'll be $10k, but that's still a LOT to stomach for something that is going to underperform a dedicated EV.
travisporter 4y ago
You’re right. I guess I’m just frustrated. Been waiting for an ev for four years. In my defense tho the niro screen is mostly for entertainment. I rented it for three days and only used screen mirroring/android car on it. I test drive the Tesla and I don’t think you could get away with not touching the screen on a drive
Gordonjcp 4y ago
I don't want a luxury car and I don't want a very basic car. I want something that exactly replicates the functionality of my 24-year-old Range Rover. No laser-eye-surgery-bright screens, no touch panels, no always-connected-phones-home telematics, just four big squashy seats, a really loud stereo, and the capability to be just as happy flat out on the motorway as climbing up a trackless mountain, pulling a 3.5 tonne trailer. I don't give the tiniest amount of a shit about having the 0-60 time of a bomb going off. I never ever need to accelerate from a standstill to 60mph as fast as possible, and I can't imagine a situation outside of drag racing where I'd need to. I don't feel much of a need to ask Alexa to turn on the windscreen wipers. If you want to travel but not actually touch controls, take the train - a train ticket is far more of a Veblen good, ideal for a flash git.

teaearlgraycold 4y ago

One day we'll have a thriving EV upgrade market. Then you can take your old dumb car and drive out with a modern EV.

Kirby64 4y ago
It already exists, but the way combustion cars are built is just completely opposed to how you build an EV. You end up with a really crappy EV (specifically, in range) that still costs $20k+ now. In the future maybe that'll be $10k, but that's still a LOT to stomach for something that is going to underperform a dedicated EV.

travisporter 4y ago

You’re right. I guess I’m just frustrated. Been waiting for an ev for four years. In my defense tho the niro screen is mostly for entertainment. I rented it for three days and only used screen mirroring/android car on it. I test drive the Tesla and I don’t think you could get away with not touching the screen on a drive

Gordonjcp 4y ago

I don't want a luxury car and I don't want a very basic car. I want something that exactly replicates the functionality of my 24-year-old Range Rover. No laser-eye-surgery-bright screens, no touch panels, no always-connected-phones-home telematics, just four big squashy seats, a really loud stereo, and the capability to be just as happy flat out on the motorway as climbing up a trackless mountain, pulling a 3.5 tonne trailer. I don't give the tiniest amount of a shit about having the 0-60 time of a bomb going off. I never ever need to accelerate from a standstill to 60mph as fast as possible, and I can't imagine a situation outside of drag racing where I'd need to. I don't feel much of a need to ask Alexa to turn on the windscreen wipers. If you want to travel but not actually touch controls, take the train - a train ticket is far more of a Veblen good, ideal for a flash git.