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> If the end goal is to stop people dying by firearm, then fair enough we are not talking about 1 or 2 people dying here, these are dozens of helpless lives go

> If the end goal is to stop people dying by firearm, then fair enough we are not talking about 1 or 2 people dying here, these are dozens of helpless lives gone in a matter of minutes!! Those maniacs (first Sandy hook and now Rob elementary) wouldn't be able to kill dozens of innocent kids so easily if they didn't have access to firearm.

robswc 4y ago
>wouldn't be able to kill dozens of innocent kids so easily if they didn't have access to firearm There are much more destructive and arguably easier ways to kill _more_ people. Someone that is more than willing to march into an elementary school and take the lives of innocent children wouldn't just stop their plan to do such a thing because they can't get access to a gun. They'll go down to their local uhaul or start a fire.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm.
  - robswc 4y ago
    >Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm One guy with a truck managed to kill more people than even the deadliest shooting in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack The deadliest arson attack on a nightclub in the US killed nearly 2x as many people vs the deadliest shooting at a nightclub. And again, more people than the deadliest shooting in the US _ever_. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting No idea how you can claim these methods are not as effective.
    - robofanatic 4y ago
      Yet most of these killers choose guns. The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous
      - robswc 4y ago
        >Yet most of these killers choose guns. Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible. They're trying to get attention and "revenge" on society. I'm convinced Columbine literally started this whole thing, due to the way society views it. >The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous Sure... but I still don't believe this 18 year old kid would have just given up on his plan to seek revenge. What would stop him from ordering or acquiring a machete and doing essentially the same thing? There was a knife attack in Japan that left and equal amount of people dead. https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deat... I honestly believe that tighter gun laws would reduce gun deaths... but I think its disingenuous to suggest they would prevent these mass killings or even meaningfully reduce the amount of deaths. Shown in my other comment, other and arguably even easier methods have proven to kill more people.
        jjeaff 4y ago
        They are trying to kill as many people as possible. For the reasons you mentioned. "attention and revenge". More kills, more attention and revenge. An. But I agree with you that there may be some kind of media/ copy cat component. But what doesn't make since with that theory is that in today's global communications, why is it so much more in the US.
        robofanatic 4y ago
        > Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible. I don’t understand, this kid just killed 21 4th grade kids!! I agree that there are other affective methods of mass killing but then why don’t we see them happening more often all over the world. You keep pointing at these one off incidents.
zbobet2012 4y ago
Arson is historically a more effective mass murder device and used extensively. As well as bombs, cars, poison and many other things.
- robofanatic 4y ago
  none of that was used in brutally killing dozens of elementary school kids. Where as guns were used, not once but twice.

robswc 4y ago

>wouldn't be able to kill dozens of innocent kids so easily if they didn't have access to firearm There are much more destructive and arguably easier ways to kill _more_ people. Someone that is more than willing to march into an elementary school and take the lives of innocent children wouldn't just stop their plan to do such a thing because they can't get access to a gun. They'll go down to their local uhaul or start a fire.

jjeaff 4y ago
Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm.
- robswc 4y ago
  >Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm One guy with a truck managed to kill more people than even the deadliest shooting in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack The deadliest arson attack on a nightclub in the US killed nearly 2x as many people vs the deadliest shooting at a nightclub. And again, more people than the deadliest shooting in the US _ever_. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting No idea how you can claim these methods are not as effective.
  - robofanatic 4y ago
    Yet most of these killers choose guns. The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous
    - robswc 4y ago
      >Yet most of these killers choose guns. Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible. They're trying to get attention and "revenge" on society. I'm convinced Columbine literally started this whole thing, due to the way society views it. >The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous Sure... but I still don't believe this 18 year old kid would have just given up on his plan to seek revenge. What would stop him from ordering or acquiring a machete and doing essentially the same thing? There was a knife attack in Japan that left and equal amount of people dead. https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deat... I honestly believe that tighter gun laws would reduce gun deaths... but I think its disingenuous to suggest they would prevent these mass killings or even meaningfully reduce the amount of deaths. Shown in my other comment, other and arguably even easier methods have proven to kill more people.
      - jjeaff 4y ago
        They are trying to kill as many people as possible. For the reasons you mentioned. "attention and revenge". More kills, more attention and revenge. An. But I agree with you that there may be some kind of media/ copy cat component. But what doesn't make since with that theory is that in today's global communications, why is it so much more in the US.
      - robofanatic 4y ago
        > Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible. I don’t understand, this kid just killed 21 4th grade kids!! I agree that there are other affective methods of mass killing but then why don’t we see them happening more often all over the world. You keep pointing at these one off incidents.

zbobet2012 4y ago

Arson is historically a more effective mass murder device and used extensively. As well as bombs, cars, poison and many other things.

robofanatic 4y ago
none of that was used in brutally killing dozens of elementary school kids. Where as guns were used, not once but twice.