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Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol im

Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol impairment, the magnitude of car deaths remains truly enormous.

voganmother42 4y ago
way to ignore the licensing and registration!
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
  - whatever1 4y ago
    They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      That's fair, sometimes it can turn people off, I can believe that such graphic warnings could reduce gun ownership overall if applied to gun packaging. Do you think that the Texas school shooter who inspired this HN post would have been deterred from purchasing and using his gun to kill children if he had seen graphic warning labels on the packaging of his gun?
  - voganmother42 4y ago
    Solve it? So you think everyone should just drive with no training, and you believe that would improve the magnitude of gory car deaths? I suppose you are against seat belts too?
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      Uh no, I'm just saying license and registration is irrelevant to the question of whether "We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere". We already have license and registration requirements for cars, but if stopping gory deaths is my motivation then license and registration requirements would not be enough to placate me, it would effectively be a call for tougher restrictions, so I decided to focus on the tougher restrictions on cars that was suggested (eg related to drunk driving).
whatever1 4y ago
It is responsible of ~30% of the fatal car accidents. https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ And imagine that we already have laws in place for drunk driving. For guns even if I am diagnosed mentally ill nobody can cite me for carrying a gun.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  Okay, let's take away 30% of fatal car accidents. There is still a truly enormous magnitude of car deaths. I can still show you a relentless barrage of gory car death scenes, are you now persuaded to ban cars?
  - whatever1 4y ago
    What is this logic? If we cannot fix 100% a problem then we should not even try to curb it? No, introducing gun laws will not stop 100% crime and violent acts. It will not even stop 100% of gun violence. Still it does not mean that we should treat rampant gun violence as the norm. These massacres do not happen outside the US at this scale.
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      I never said any of that. I wanted to know if you would be persuaded by seeing gory car deaths because you suggested that others would be persuaded by seeing gory gun deaths. If you aren't for cars, then I'd be surprised if it worked on the issue of guns which produces fewer mortalities. It would suggest that there's another factor at play than just how many gory deaths there are.

voganmother42 4y ago

way to ignore the licensing and registration!

themacguffinman 4y ago
I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
- whatever1 4y ago
  They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    That's fair, sometimes it can turn people off, I can believe that such graphic warnings could reduce gun ownership overall if applied to gun packaging. Do you think that the Texas school shooter who inspired this HN post would have been deterred from purchasing and using his gun to kill children if he had seen graphic warning labels on the packaging of his gun?
- voganmother42 4y ago
  Solve it? So you think everyone should just drive with no training, and you believe that would improve the magnitude of gory car deaths? I suppose you are against seat belts too?
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    Uh no, I'm just saying license and registration is irrelevant to the question of whether "We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere". We already have license and registration requirements for cars, but if stopping gory deaths is my motivation then license and registration requirements would not be enough to placate me, it would effectively be a call for tougher restrictions, so I decided to focus on the tougher restrictions on cars that was suggested (eg related to drunk driving).

whatever1 4y ago

It is responsible of ~30% of the fatal car accidents. https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ And imagine that we already have laws in place for drunk driving. For guns even if I am diagnosed mentally ill nobody can cite me for carrying a gun.

themacguffinman 4y ago
Okay, let's take away 30% of fatal car accidents. There is still a truly enormous magnitude of car deaths. I can still show you a relentless barrage of gory car death scenes, are you now persuaded to ban cars?
- whatever1 4y ago
  What is this logic? If we cannot fix 100% a problem then we should not even try to curb it? No, introducing gun laws will not stop 100% crime and violent acts. It will not even stop 100% of gun violence. Still it does not mean that we should treat rampant gun violence as the norm. These massacres do not happen outside the US at this scale.
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    I never said any of that. I wanted to know if you would be persuaded by seeing gory car deaths because you suggested that others would be persuaded by seeing gory gun deaths. If you aren't for cars, then I'd be surprised if it worked on the issue of guns which produces fewer mortalities. It would suggest that there's another factor at play than just how many gory deaths there are.