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If I show you gory pictures from a car accident, would you understand the magnitude of the horror of cars to the extent that you would want to ban cars?

whatever1 4y ago
Yes I would be willing to have mandated integrated breathalyzers in the cars to disable them when the driver is intoxicated. Also cars are indeed banned for people who have not passed a driver's test. On the other hand I can walk into a sporting goods store like Dick's and get a gun and a thousand bullets no questions asked.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol impairment, the magnitude of car deaths remains truly enormous.
  - voganmother42 4y ago
    way to ignore the licensing and registration!
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
      - whatever1 4y ago
        They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...
        themacguffinman 4y ago
        That's fair, sometimes it can turn people off, I can believe that such graphic warnings could reduce gun ownership overall if applied to gun packaging. Do you think that the Texas school shooter who inspired this HN post would have been deterred from purchasing and using his gun to kill children if he had seen graphic warning labels on the packaging of his gun?
      - voganmother42 4y ago
        Solve it? So you think everyone should just drive with no training, and you believe that would improve the magnitude of gory car deaths? I suppose you are against seat belts too?
        themacguffinman 4y ago
        Uh no, I'm just saying license and registration is irrelevant to the question of whether "We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere". We already have license and registration requirements for cars, but if stopping gory deaths is my motivation then license and registration requirements would not be enough to placate me, it would effectively be a call for tougher restrictions, so I decided to focus on the tougher restrictions on cars that was suggested (eg related to drunk driving).
  - whatever1 4y ago
    It is responsible of ~30% of the fatal car accidents. https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ And imagine that we already have laws in place for drunk driving. For guns even if I am diagnosed mentally ill nobody can cite me for carrying a gun.
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      Okay, let's take away 30% of fatal car accidents. There is still a truly enormous magnitude of car deaths. I can still show you a relentless barrage of gory car death scenes, are you now persuaded to ban cars?
      - whatever1 4y ago
        What is this logic? If we cannot fix 100% a problem then we should not even try to curb it? No, introducing gun laws will not stop 100% crime and violent acts. It will not even stop 100% of gun violence. Still it does not mean that we should treat rampant gun violence as the norm. These massacres do not happen outside the US at this scale.
        themacguffinman 4y ago
        I never said any of that. I wanted to know if you would be persuaded by seeing gory car deaths because you suggested that others would be persuaded by seeing gory gun deaths. If you aren't for cars, then I'd be surprised if it worked on the issue of guns which produces fewer mortalities. It would suggest that there's another factor at play than just how many gory deaths there are.
colechristensen 4y ago
I was at the DMV and the woman in front of me was describing how her shy child needed a renewed permit as he had been frightened of driving by these kinds of images and never shown interest in learning years since.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  I appreciate the story, and I can understand that mindset personally because I have also been dissuaded from driving by my knowledge of the danger of cars. But it has never persuaded me to support tough car restrictions or bans on cars for other people. It's a personal risk calculation that I do not impose on others. I don't know the shy child you mention at the DMV, but I doubt he was persuaded to outlaw cars for other people either. That's a mindset I do not understand.

whatever1 4y ago

Yes I would be willing to have mandated integrated breathalyzers in the cars to disable them when the driver is intoxicated. Also cars are indeed banned for people who have not passed a driver's test. On the other hand I can walk into a sporting goods store like Dick's and get a gun and a thousand bullets no questions asked.

themacguffinman 4y ago
Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol impairment, the magnitude of car deaths remains truly enormous.
- voganmother42 4y ago
  way to ignore the licensing and registration!
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
    - whatever1 4y ago
      They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...
      - themacguffinman 4y ago
        That's fair, sometimes it can turn people off, I can believe that such graphic warnings could reduce gun ownership overall if applied to gun packaging. Do you think that the Texas school shooter who inspired this HN post would have been deterred from purchasing and using his gun to kill children if he had seen graphic warning labels on the packaging of his gun?
    - voganmother42 4y ago
      Solve it? So you think everyone should just drive with no training, and you believe that would improve the magnitude of gory car deaths? I suppose you are against seat belts too?
      - themacguffinman 4y ago
        Uh no, I'm just saying license and registration is irrelevant to the question of whether "We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere". We already have license and registration requirements for cars, but if stopping gory deaths is my motivation then license and registration requirements would not be enough to placate me, it would effectively be a call for tougher restrictions, so I decided to focus on the tougher restrictions on cars that was suggested (eg related to drunk driving).
- whatever1 4y ago
  It is responsible of ~30% of the fatal car accidents. https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/drunk-driving/ And imagine that we already have laws in place for drunk driving. For guns even if I am diagnosed mentally ill nobody can cite me for carrying a gun.
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    Okay, let's take away 30% of fatal car accidents. There is still a truly enormous magnitude of car deaths. I can still show you a relentless barrage of gory car death scenes, are you now persuaded to ban cars?
    - whatever1 4y ago
      What is this logic? If we cannot fix 100% a problem then we should not even try to curb it? No, introducing gun laws will not stop 100% crime and violent acts. It will not even stop 100% of gun violence. Still it does not mean that we should treat rampant gun violence as the norm. These massacres do not happen outside the US at this scale.
      - themacguffinman 4y ago
        I never said any of that. I wanted to know if you would be persuaded by seeing gory car deaths because you suggested that others would be persuaded by seeing gory gun deaths. If you aren't for cars, then I'd be surprised if it worked on the issue of guns which produces fewer mortalities. It would suggest that there's another factor at play than just how many gory deaths there are.

colechristensen 4y ago

I was at the DMV and the woman in front of me was describing how her shy child needed a renewed permit as he had been frightened of driving by these kinds of images and never shown interest in learning years since.

themacguffinman 4y ago
I appreciate the story, and I can understand that mindset personally because I have also been dissuaded from driving by my knowledge of the danger of cars. But it has never persuaded me to support tough car restrictions or bans on cars for other people. It's a personal risk calculation that I do not impose on others. I don't know the shy child you mention at the DMV, but I doubt he was persuaded to outlaw cars for other people either. That's a mindset I do not understand.