i agree that the authenticator app stuff is fraught for the average user. > No, it's tied to the app because the initial secret is destroyed after you set it u

i agree that the authenticator app stuff is fraught for the average user. > No, it's tied to the app because the initial secret is destroyed after you set it up. Every single Authenticator App I've used (which is not all of them admittedly), requires manual backups - typically in some printed form. i scan the QR codes with a normal code reader, and then put the information into keepassxc. i can view the secret, generate codes, do whatever, and it's all with decent open source stuff and stored in a file i can back up.